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    Re: Is Obesity a disability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    It's a self-inflicted disability.
    I think I've noticed that overweight-obesity is more common in low-income groups. I'm guessing that sometimes it's caused by people not being able to afford to eat well or not knowing about good nutrition. A cart full of fatty, processed foods is cheaper and easier than one full of fresh, healthy groceries. A bucket of KFC with a box of fries is good value, volume-per-dollar-wise. In the city, where most people live (I think) it can be expensive to eat a healthy diet. If you know how to cook, can afford good food and make it a priority you probably won't have a problem but increasing numbers of people don't.
    It's not just gluttony, thats my take.

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    Re: Is Obesity a disability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I think I've noticed that overweight-obesity is more common in low-income groups. I'm guessing that sometimes it's caused by people not being able to afford to eat well or not knowing about good nutrition. A cart full of fatty, processed foods is cheaper and easier than one full of fresh, healthy groceries. A bucket of KFC with a box of fries is good value, volume-per-dollar-wise. In the city, where most people live (I think) it can be expensive to eat a healthy diet. If you know how to cook, can afford good food and make it a priority you probably won't have a problem but increasing numbers of people don't.
    It's not just gluttony, thats my take.
    It's not as impossible a feat to eat right as you're making it. It's actually less expensive to get enough rice, pasta, fresh meats, and vegetables to last a week than it is to get buckets of slop that will only last a day or two. The problem is laziness, and the fact that everyone in this country wants everything served to them immediately on a silver platter.
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    Re: Is Obesity a disability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    It's not as impossible a feat to eat right as you're making it. It's actually less expensive to get enough rice, pasta, fresh meats, and vegetables to last a week than it is to get buckets of slop that will only last a day or two. The problem is laziness, and the fact that everyone in this country wants everything served to them immediately on a silver platter.
    Not impossible but requiring more effort. I'm assuming that people would rather be healthy but maybe it's not a priority for many.
    I live in a rural area and this isn't an issue here so maybe it's a 'lifestyle choice'. I don't trust simple solutions, though.

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    Re: Is Obesity a disability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Not impossible but requiring more effort. I'm assuming that people would rather be healthy but maybe it's not a priority for many.
    I live in a rural area and this isn't an issue here so maybe it's a 'lifestyle choice'. I don't trust simple solutions, though.
    I don't think people care about health anymore. I live in the outskirts of Houston, where people can't bother to be inconvenienced for a modicum of a second unless it involves something being in it for them. There isn't a simple solution, except to let it happen. Eventually the weak will be weeded out by their own vices. It just takes more time in human society.
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    Re: Is Obesity a disability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hijinx View Post
    As the topic states: Do you think that obesity counts as a legitimate disability?

    It's a pretty big deal in employment law according to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and they count it as such under the Americans with Disabilities Act Amendments Act. For all intents and purposes it would make sense that it does count as a disability, as they are technically disabled by definition (physical impairment or lack of physical functioning). But I just can't help but disagree with the notion. Especially considering how I know many people and I'm sure many of you might as well, who eat themselves into that situation. They're literally eating and drinking themselves into being disabled, and they get counted among those who are actually medically obese. That's just wrong to me.

    Here is a humorous article about the subject: Obesity: A Disability or a Lack of Responsibility? | We Are People 2

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    Yes, it's a disability. Self-induced but yes. Someone walking into a job interview weighing 400 lbs isn't getting hired. I have a now deceased friend who was morbidly obese.

    - Fat as hell
    - So fat he couldn't shower and perform other sanitation procedures properly because there where parts of hs body he couldn't reach. He smelled horrible and his only option was to shower as best he could and mask the stench with fragrances.
    - He was too fat to fit behind the wheel of many cars, especially those in his price range thus limiting his employability since he did not have access to reliable transportation.
    - I got to know him through church where he volunteered for a ministry I was involved with. Churches tend to be more accepting of people and athough there was resistance to bringing him on board as a volunteer due to body odor and realiability related to tranporation, his persistsnce eventually conveniced that department to allow him to serve. To their surprise, he ended up inadvertantly destroying several well built chairs and sofas in under a year on top of the foul odor he left behind every weekend.

    A really intelligent guy but with an addiction to food and got up to 560lbs. He eventually was declared legally disabled and despite initial resistance, his doctor convinced the social security administration to cover gastric bypass surgery.

    In less than a year he'd gotten down to 350 lbs and got a job. Still huge but tremendous progress considering where he was.

    He died of a brain aneurism about 5 years after the surgery I think brought on by undiagnosed hypertension since after going back to work he no longer had health coverage.

    His problems with obesity started as a child of a single mother who qualified for nutrition assistance. I think there's a psychology of poor people where they lack the resources to splurge on themselves and their families, something all of us like to do occasionally. The poor can't take vacations, buy a lot of new clothes or get their kids a new game console. What they can do, thanks to food stamps is eat like there's no tomorrow, which is their only splurge. My friend had a huge 2 or 3 lb block of processed cheese delivered to his house every week. What stared out as an after school grilled cheese sandwich, turned to 2 sandwiches, then 3 then the whole block of cheese in one afternoon. He was always given hearty meals, encouraged to have seconds and always clean his plate.

    If I were the President I'd take the First Lady's healthy nutrition campaign to heart and expand the non-eligible food stamp items list to include no sugary food, no cooking oils/fats of any kind, only whole grains, nothing processed and only lean meats. In fact, I might even include a recommended shopping list and recipies pamphlet. Some of the most obese people in America are food stamp recipients and we've convinced ourselves its compassionate to provide the means by which they're sending themselves and their children to an early grave.
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    Re: Is Obesity a disability?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Put 30 pounds of whatever in a backpack and carry that around with you everywhere you go for a year. Seriously, try it. then tell us what you think.
    If I did that I'd be 60 lbs overweight.

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    Re: Is Obesity a disability?

    Obesity in and of itself isn't a disability, but sometimes people are obese due to other legitimate medical issues, and at those time it can be.
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    Re: Is Obesity a disability?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Obesity in and of itself isn't a disability, but sometimes people are obese due to other legitimate medical issues, and at those time it can be.
    Right. That's my problem with the whole situation. In of itself it isn't a disability, but those who are medically obese will be wrapped up with those who ate themselves into obesity. I'm wondering if there is some way to draw a line. It doesn't make sense that someone who couldn't "drop a fork" receive the same benefits as someone who can't help it and was born that way.

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    Re: Is Obesity a disability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hijinx View Post
    As the topic states: Do you think that obesity counts as a legitimate disability?

    ...But I just can't help but disagree with the notion. Especially considering how I know many people and I'm sure many of you might as well, who eat themselves into that situation. They're literally eating and drinking themselves into being disabled, and they get counted among those who are actually medically obese. That's just wrong to me.

    Here is a humorous article about the subject: Obesity: A Disability or a Lack of Responsibility? | We Are People 2

    Thoughts?
    You've answered your own question as far as I am concerned. They ate their way into it, they can eat (properly) their way OUT of it.

    Pisses me off when I hear doctor's are trying to get this classified as a "disease." That's just to get access to more medicare and medicaid funds. Cancer is a disease, common obesity is usually a weakness of the will. There are clear medical exceptions which do exist though.
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    Re: Is Obesity a disability?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Obesity in and of itself isn't a disability, but sometimes people are obese due to other legitimate medical issues, and at those time it can be.
    Other times the obesity causes other legitimate medical issues. Still other times, they all compound each other. And in many cases, simply doing what needs to be done to get thin again nearly resolves all of the above.

    In my opinion, obesity is a symptom of a disorder. It is not a disease nor a disability. There is a difference.
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