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    Re: Should American's have private electronic communications?

    Yes there should be private use of the internet. While there are some reasonable expectations of reduced privacy, it does not authorize the government to engage in large, aggregate data mining programs and data basing; nor does it mean that government gets carte blanche powers of search.

    There's always things like facebook and such where people post alot of high visibility information. But even there it should be restricted. And certainly communications such as e-mail should be treated as an individual's papers and thus protected from unreasonable search and seizure.
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    Re: Should American's have private electronic communications?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The idea that we don't expect privacy merely because we have been denied it in the past is no excuse at all. Unless they have a warrant and probable cause, the government should not have more access to my private communications than I have access to the private e-mails of other DP users.

    Just because someone can hack my information doesn't mean that the government should be legally allowed to do it.
    People already have access to your emails/browsing history/GPS co-ordinates on your phone. You data is mined daily for profit. If we already accept that I'm not sure why the mining and searching for specific words or code used by terrorists is something we can't accept.

    I agree with you partially..for one emails should never be read unless there is some flag. Second of all that information shouldn't be used against you if it was incriminating.

    I think there needs to be a realization...anything on the internet is used by some entity. There's no such thing as privacy. We accept that every day. I can see why the government doing it is troublesome but do you think there's no cause? That of all the methods of combating people doing bad things that's a cost effective method that doesn't really put a lot of people in harms way? Granted...if someone with devious intentions uses that collection they could do very bad things but you need to have protections in place.
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    Re: Should American's have private electronic communications?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Then they will do what they are already doing--letting the British who are not subject to US law do the spying and then give it to the US government. There is no way you are going to win this battle unless you disconnect from society, deal only in cash, and live in a tent in the woods.
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    Re: Should American's have private electronic communications?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    They should use Commodore 64's. I hear those were revolutionary.
    They got that data storage center in Utah, which you can bet has got some serious horsepower behind it. Problem is depending on the encryption method and number of encrypted messages and trying to even identify encrypted messages is a VERY horsepower intensive task. Example using pictures to hide messages, there are several ways to do that and how many pictures are put on the internet everyday? That's just one example.

    Side note I had a friend who had one. They were the cool computer when I was growing up because they had the good selection of games. Lots of people learned to program on them. I had a Tandy 1000ex with a 8088 Intel processor. It cost 1500 at the time. Now days everybody's watch has more computing power.
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    Re: Should American's have private electronic communications?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes there should be private use of the internet. While there are some reasonable expectations of reduced privacy, it does not authorize the government to engage in large, aggregate data mining programs and data basing; nor does it mean that government gets carte blanche powers of search.

    There's always things like facebook and such where people post alot of high visibility information. But even there it should be restricted. And certainly communications such as e-mail should be treated as an individual's papers and thus protected from unreasonable search and seizure.
    Whether we like it or not the internet is a public area. If we don't want people seeing what we are saying to others then encrypt our messages with heavy duty encryption. Otherwise the government WILL read your mail.
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    Re: Should American's have private electronic communications?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of, you know, participate in the political process.
    Why? If you allow secure communications the government cannot access then the political process will be your representative sitting on his super secure phone line auctioning off his vote to the highest bidder and there is no way you are going to catch him doing it.

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    Re: Should American's have private electronic communications?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Whether we like it or not the internet is a public area. If we don't want people seeing what we are saying to others then encrypt our messages with heavy duty encryption. Otherwise the government WILL read your mail.
    Government does not get unfettered access and power with new tech. They are restricted and must necessarily stay so.
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    Re: Should American's have private electronic communications?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    They got that data storage center in Utah, which you can bet has got some serious horsepower behind it. Problem is depending on the encryption method and number of encrypted messages and trying to even identify encrypted messages is a VERY horsepower intensive task. Example using pictures to hide messages, there are several ways to do that and how many pictures are put on the internet everyday? That's just one example.

    Side note I had a friend who had one. They were the cool computer when I was growing up because they had the good selection of games. Lots of people learned to program on them. I had a Tandy 1000ex with a 8088 Intel processor. It cost 1500 at the time. Now days everybody's watch has more computing power.
    Well surely. Just look at how much new crap we give them just here at DP to sort through every day

    It is probably more an issue of coming up with workable algorithms that can sort the wide variety of garbage in.

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    Re: Should American's have private electronic communications?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    People already have access to your emails/browsing history/GPS co-ordinates on your phone. You data is mined daily for profit. If we already accept that I'm not sure why the mining and searching for specific words or code used by terrorists is something we can't accept.

    I agree with you partially..for one emails should never be read unless there is some flag. Second of all that information shouldn't be used against you if it was incriminating.

    I think there needs to be a realization...anything on the internet is used by some entity. There's no such thing as privacy. We accept that every day. I can see why the government doing it is troublesome but do you think there's no cause? That of all the methods of combating people doing bad things that's a cost effective method that doesn't really put a lot of people in harms way? Granted...if someone with devious intentions uses that collection they could do very bad things but you need to have protections in place.
    We do not accept that. We just never had a choice.
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    Re: Should American's have private electronic communications?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    We do not accept that. We just never had a choice.
    Actually we do have a choice; try to replace any congress critters that voted for allowing these snooping laws.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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