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    Re: Non consensual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Good point
    This is something that should be set and decided by a panel of 6 women and 4 men...
    I doubt if any college is ran in this manner...it could even be 10 men...0.0 women...
    I agree that it should be decided by a jury. I'm not sure why it would need to be specifically made up of 6 women and 4 men though. The normal jury selection process should work fine.

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    A man does not know what it feels like to be raped...he cannot possibly know..
    That's ridiculous. Men can be and have been raped as well.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post
    What?? non-consensual sex is the definition of rape. The two words mean exactly the same thing.
    I think it's too broad a term. All rape is non-consensual sex, but not all non-consensual sex is rape.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I think it's too broad a term. All rape is non-consensual sex, but not all non-consensual sex is rape.
    Define the difference.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Define the difference.
    How about the kind where one person consents during the moment, but then the next day, or even days later decides to become a non-consenting participant.

    Like sometimes happens when college kids party and stuff.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    How about the kind where one person consents during the moment, but then the next day, or even days later decides to become a non-consenting participant.

    Like sometimes happens when college kids party and stuff.
    That is a different issue altogether. I am trying to find out how you can ever have real non consensual sex without it being rape.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    I suppose it depends at what point it becomes non-consensual. If the woman does not consent before the act, then of course it's rape. If the woman changes her mind after the act, it's too late, it can't be rape. Once she says no, it stops. She can't decide later that she didn't really want it and expect to be supported.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I suppose it depends at what point it becomes non-consensual. If the woman does not consent before the act, then of course it's rape. If the woman changes her mind after the act, it's too late, it can't be rape. Once she says no, it stops. She can't decide later that she didn't really want it and expect to be supported.
    Agree.

    And if it's "rape", why wouldn't the victims immediately call 911 and get police involved plus have a full-on medical exam in an emergency room?

    Why let campus security/college hold court and make decisions?

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Define the difference.
    I consider rape to be compelling someone to have sex through the use or the threat of force. The dictionary definition of rape.

    I don't consider obtaining sex through drugging someone, or taking advantage of a drunk person, or through deception to be rape. Those things are wrong, and they're crimes, but they're not rape. They're different crimes.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Define the difference.
    If both parties are too drunk/high to give consent and yet they together have sex, maybe both waking up in the morning with a naked person next to them and cannot remember what went on [ I know I had periods of blackouts back when binge drinking in college ]... and so neither explicitly [ as can be determined in the aftermath] gave consent, would you consider both parties to have committed non consensual rape at that point?
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I consider rape to be compelling someone to have sex through the use or the threat of force. The dictionary definition of rape.

    I don't consider obtaining sex through drugging someone, or taking advantage of a drunk person, or through deception to be rape. Those things are wrong, and they're crimes, but they're not rape. They're different crimes.
    That definition would not take into consideration statutory rape when both parties may be willing but one is not of age to give consent...but no use/threat of force came into play.
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