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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Maybe it indeed depends on defitinitions ... what if one party assumed it was consensual, as the other party claimed it indeed was in the act, but legally, that other party was not fully responsible due to drug/alcohol use?

    I guess that's a grey area. Maybe legally, the second party could claim lack of responsibility or capacity to consent, but it's doubtful the first party was able to recognize that.
    Yeah... it is as you said, a gray area. Anyway, taking your example, as far as I know it goes like this. If you're drunk/high and you accuse someone of rape, and he denies it (your word vs his word) you have very little to stand on. If it's the other way around, then you may just win. Because being drunk is not a "get out of jail free" card for any stupid thing you do, but being drunk and you had stupid things done to you may be the other guys' get out jail free card because he can claim you agreed.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Why are the alledged rape victims complaining to the school, instead of the police? I don't understand that.

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    Re: Non consensual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I consider using violence or the threat of violence to have sex with a woman worse than having sex with a woman who is too drunk to legally consent.
    Good point
    This is something that should be set and decided by a panel of 6 women and 4 men...
    I doubt if any college is ran in this manner...it could even be 10 men...0.0 women...
    A man does not know what it feels like to be raped...he cannot possibly know..
    I voted in the minority...this time..
    I am of the old school.....get her drunk and she is yours.......
    The "old school" was NOT good, particularly for women and minorities...
    And schools are constantly changing.
    Last edited by earthworm; 08-09-13 at 02:17 AM.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Why are the alledged rape victims complaining to the school, instead of the police? I don't understand that.
    Maybe they didn't have a strong enough case for a criminal prosecution? Pretty difficult to tell without much real information.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I don't consider all non-consensual sex to be rape. I think that there are various kinds of non-consensual sex, some of which are worse crimes than others, and I don't think a blanket term for all of them is a good thing.
    What?? non-consensual sex is the definition of rape. The two words mean exactly the same thing.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Sex misconduct report spurs criticism of disciplinary procedures | Yale Daily News
    ...University Title IX Coordinator and Deputy Provost Stephanie Spangler...
    it employs the term “non-consensual sex” rather than “rape” or more explicit language to allow the University to impose sanctions for behaviors that may not meet a criminal standard.
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    So if they call it rape then they're using a legal term and then have a higher burden of proof to meet.
    And, likely, unless the perpetrators are convicted, they run into the possibility of defamation lawsuits.
    This is where an old-fashioned ass-whipping by the victim's daddy is called for. I can hear that conversation now. Perp says "Do you know who I am? You can't touch me!" ...followed by the sound of someone spitting out a couple of teeth.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    NO
    Things are far more complicated than that.
    We are dealing with humans, not machines
    Emotions matter, even rule the day.
    We just have to figure out a better way of judging situations..
    And, as is well known, or should be, rape is NOT just plain sex, its violence..
    IMO, a big difference.
    Sorry, you're wrong. The legal definition of rape is non-consensual sex. Violence is not a requirement for it to be classed as rape.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Come on....this has been brought up numerous times.

    College kids get drunk, do drugs, and sometimes do really dumb things. Both males and females often get caught up in some major binge drinking/partying.

    I've known many people in college days who'd consistently get so wasted they'd not be able to remember large chunks of the night when questioned about their behavior the next day.

    If both the male and the female are trashed and end up in bed together, but the next day the girl says she did not consent to sex, can you - beyond a reasonable doubt - convict the guy of rape??????

    Are you seriously going to say that in 100% of all cases where alcohol and/or drugs have played a major role in the night's events, that any time a girl says she was raped, that a "rape" was actually committed?

    You're going to sit there and say that college girls NEVER lie? Not ever?

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Come on....this has been brought up numerous times.

    College kids get drunk, do drugs, and sometimes do really dumb things. Both males and females often get caught up in some major binge drinking/partying.

    I've known many people in college days who'd consistently get so wasted they'd not be able to remember large chunks of the night when questioned about their behavior the next day.

    If both the male and the female are trashed and end up in bed together, but the next day the girl says she did not consent to sex, can you - beyond a reasonable doubt - convict the guy of rape??????
    It may be difficult to get a conviction in that scenario, but that doesn't mean a rape didn't happen. Conviction rates in those scenarios are notoriously low

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Are you seriously going to say that in 100% of all cases where alcohol and/or drugs have played a major role in the night's events, that any time a girl says she was raped, that a "rape" was actually committed?

    You're going to sit there and say that college girls NEVER lie? Not ever?
    Some do lie, but this is a small minority. If a girl is so drunk that she can't make an informed decision to consent, then that is rape.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr X View Post

    Some do lie, but this is a small minority. If a girl is so drunk that she can't make an informed decision to consent, then that is rape.
    What if the guy is equally as drunk????????

    Rape is a super serious and life damaging charge to levy against a guy.

    Her objection to the sex only comes the following day. When she's once again sober.

    You still saying it's "rape". You want hard-core prison time for the guy simply because they both got drunk and she was too f-d up to remember if she consented or not?

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