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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Of course, "non-consensual" rape is NOT brutal-assault rape , obviously, this should be common sense..
    There has to be a difference...
    Same with stealing....or man slaughter....
    Rape, with the intent to hurt and to have NO feelings is IMO, a felony.
    Non-con is much "milder", the feelings are still there, thus ...a misdemeanor, IMO.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    They're all a bunch of sneaky, dirty lawyer people. So of course they'll weasel themselves into one definion or another.
    Maybe it indeed depends on defitinitions ... what if one party assumed it was consensual, as the other party claimed it indeed was in the act, but legally, that other party was not fully responsible due to drug/alcohol use?

    I guess that's a grey area. Maybe legally, the second party could claim lack of responsibility or capacity to consent, but it's doubtful the first party was able to recognize that.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Maybe she was drunk.
    One of many circumstances, which could lower the punishment level of a "rape" .

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    How many cases actually involve the woman as the rapist?

    And shouldn't there be an option for *only if someone complains*?
    After watching an episode of the Kardashians where Kourtney wanted to strap on a dildo and ram her boyfriend in the backside, why can't women get men drunk and take advantage of men in the same way?
    Would that be considered rape to quote Kourtney, 'Open him up like a melon?'

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I don't consider all non-consensual sex to be rape. I think that there are various kinds of non-consensual sex, some of which are worse crimes than others, ......
    such as?

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If a girl that would never say "yes" to sex with some random dude gets pretty damn drunk, like to the point where she doesn't remember a few hours from the previous night, and says "yes" to sex during that drunken night, then wakes up the next morning with a naked guy she doesn't know from Adam, was she raped?

    Suppose there's nobody around to confirm or deny that she said "yes" to sex but the guy, who was also quite drunk at the time?

    Plenty of people saw them making out and grinding each other on the dance floor, and plenty saw them leave together, and then enter the girls dorm.
    But nobody knows what happened once they entered the girl's room and closed the door.

    She just woke up and found a naked guy lying next to her, and she states emphatically that she did NOT consent to sex.

    The guy swears not only did she say "yes", but she initiated the sex.

    He said/she said.

    Rape?
    It seems to me that if a woman believes she has been raped, then the proper action would be to file an immediate police report. NOT to the "campus police" but with the REAL police for that local area. I would have also thought that most young women brought up today would know that already.

    Problem is, at times such an accusation is based upon circumstances exactly as you describe; OR sometimes they are a reaction several days after the fact to a young man not returning any further interest in the young lady and so she reports him.

    Again, if she believes she was truly raped, then contact the local police or sheriff and take it from there.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post

    •Yale University has found six students guilty of 'non-consensual sex' in the past six months and not one of them has been expelled from the prestigious Ivy League college
    •Four of the perpetrators were given written reprimands, one student received probation and another was suspended for two semesters
    •Sexual assault victims are outraged at the university's approach to dealing with students found guilty of 'non-consensual sex'
    What it looks like to me is that they got complaints and the facts don't exactly provide for a charge of "rape" but they have chosen to do something anyway so they came up with "non-consensual sex".

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    After watching an episode of the Kardashians where Kourtney wanted to strap on a dildo and ram her boyfriend in the backside, why can't women get men drunk and take advantage of men in the same way?
    Would that be considered rape to quote Kourtney, 'Open him up like a melon?'
    I guess that answers my question.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Of course, "non-consensual" rape is NOT brutal-assault rape , obviously, this should be common sense..
    There has to be a difference...
    Same with stealing....or man slaughter....
    Rape, with the intent to hurt and to have NO feelings is IMO, a felony.
    Non-con is much "milder", the feelings are still there, thus ...a misdemeanor, IMO.
    I agree on degrees of rape just like degrees of murder but in the end it is still rape.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    It seems to me that if a woman believes she has been raped, then the proper action would be to file an immediate police report. NOT to the "campus police" but with the REAL police for that local area. I would have also thought that most young women brought up today would know that already.

    Problem is, at times such an accusation is based upon circumstances exactly as you describe; OR sometimes they are a reaction several days after the fact to a young man not returning any further interest in the young lady and so she reports him.

    Again, if she believes she was truly raped, then contact the local police or sheriff and take it from there.
    I was wondering the same thing. why is Yale passing out punishment for what should be in our court system?

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