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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Is it 100% for certain rape simply based on the female stating she said she did not consent?

    Do women ever lie?

    Are guys always guilty?

    Or perhaps, the findings were/are that there's no way to know, based on evidence provided, that a rape actually happened?

    As might often be the case when large amounts of alcohol and/or drugs might be involved.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    Word games.
    Like what is the defintion of 'is'?

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is it 100% for certain rape simply based on the female stating she said she did not consent?

    Do women ever lie?

    Are guys always guilty?

    Or perhaps, the findings were/are that there's no way to know, based on evidence provided, that a rape actually happened?

    As might often be the case when large amounts of alcohol and/or drugs might be involved.
    As might often be the case when large amounts of alcohol and/or drugs might be involved.[/QUOTE]

    A woman lying is plausible, but 61 women telling the same lie? I think if there were that many ''complaints'' the math tells me that lying isn't a factor here, but the good ole boy system at work.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Is it 100% for certain rape simply based on the female stating she said she did not consent?

    Do women ever lie?

    Are guys always guilty?

    Or perhaps, the findings were/are that there's no way to know, based on evidence provided, that a rape actually happened?

    As might often be the case when large amounts of alcohol and/or drugs might be involved.

    How many cases actually involve the woman as the rapist?

    And shouldn't there be an option for *only if someone complains*?

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    women always complain.
    Not in my experience

    YMMV
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So according to Yale university non consensual sex is not always rape. I guess I'm old fashioned but I kinda thought non consensual sex was the definition of rape.

    Yale University has found six students guilty of 'non-consensual sex' in the past six months and not one of them has been expelled from the prestigious Ivy League college, according to an official report.
    Four of the perpetrators were given written reprimands after the victims reported the sexual assaults to staff, one student received probation and another was suspended for two semesters but will be free to return next year to graduate - with an Ivy League diploma.

    Yale, which is based in New Haven, Connecticut, said it responded to a total of eight reports of sexual assault in the first half of 2013. The other two students were found not guilty of rape allegations, the school said.


    Read more: Yale's sexual misconduct report does not mention rape instead referring to it as 'non-consensual sex' - a crime they punish with just a written reprimand | Mail Online
    I don't consider all non-consensual sex to be rape. I think that there are various kinds of non-consensual sex, some of which are worse crimes than others, and I don't think a blanket term for all of them is a good thing.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So according to Yale university non consensual sex is not always rape.
    Really? Because nothing in your article suggest that "according to Yale University non-conesusal sex is not always rape". Actually, it even notes that only 2 of the 8 students were found "not guilty" of "rape allegations", suggesting clearly that the other 6 were found guilty of "rape allegatoins".

    Non-consensual sex is pretty much the generalized definition of what rape is.

    Hard to really take an argument seriously when you are patentedly dishonest and misleading from sentence 1.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Based on the article you posted it would seem that many of the "complaintants" are female Yale students.

    I guess female students' parents don't contribute to the university?
    Good point, I guess we are back to a new lib way to classify rape.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really? Because nothing in your article suggest that "according to Yale University non-conesusal sex is not always rape". Actually, it even notes that only 2 of the 8 students were found "not guilty" of "rape allegations", suggesting clearly that the other 6 were found guilty of "rape allegatoins".

    Non-consensual sex is pretty much the generalized definition of what rape is.

    Hard to really take an argument seriously when you are patentedly dishonest and misleading from sentence 1.
    Yale saying non-consensual sex is not always rape was my honest interpretation of their policy. If you see it different all you have to do is express your opinion on the subject. I agree with you that non-consensual sex is the definition of rape so why is Yale giving a slap on the wrist to some of those that do it. I find your confrontational attitude on this to be a bit disheartening coming from a mod that is supposed to enforce the civility is a must rule. Now back to the subject you tried to derail with your personal attack.

    •Yale University has found six students guilty of 'non-consensual sex' in the past six months and not one of them has been expelled from the prestigious Ivy League college
    •Four of the perpetrators were given written reprimands, one student received probation and another was suspended for two semesters
    •Sexual assault victims are outraged at the university's approach to dealing with students found guilty of 'non-consensual sex'

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    [QUOTE=jamesrage;1062161241]One of the things that make rape rape is the fact it is non-consensual sex. I think the school is trying to hide crimes in order to protect its image.[/QUOTE]

    I think you and a few others have hit the nail on the head here. Seems so obvious after someone says it and has me wondering why I didn't immediately see it.

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