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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Well, in that case, neither party is capable of giving consent. What happens next, legally, you tell me.

    By the way. All this time we've been assuming it's a straight couple. Or a couple in the first place. What if one of those assumptions does not hold?
    You are supposed to be in control of yourself. If you can't control yourself, then you shouldn't drink, and if you do decide to drink what you do is your own fault IMO.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You are supposed to be in control of yourself. If you can't control yourself, then you shouldn't drink, and if you do decide to drink what you do is your own fault IMO.
    And that is what we call, blaming the victim.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    And that is what we call, blaming the victim.
    The law is somewhat open ended, partly because rape cases become "he said/she said" scenarios where hard evidence is elusive. We haven't gotten to the point where you have to get everything in writing or on tape.

    Legally if two people are drunk and have sex their affirmation to have sex passes as consent. However, a sober person can't take a drunk person's affirmation to have sex as consent.

    Its worth noting "consent" and "drunkenness" are broad concepts and that allegations of rape can be difficult to substantiate. Walking into someone's private residence of your own volition (not being held upright, carried, or assisted into the house) after a party can pass as consent because cultural norms maintain that such a protocol is a willful prelude to sex. Even if the visitor changes their mind afterward and tries to leave and gets raped, their case is much harder to prove because they went into the house of their own volition to start with in very incriminating circumstances. They can still win if they have evidence that the reason for entering the house had nothing to do with sex (which is determined from examining the situation, relationship, and people involved) or that they made a forceful effort to leave.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well, women always complain. Makes sense.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Excuse me, sir. Rape is not funny. And drunk people cannot legally give consent.
    Point to where I said rape was funny. Quote it if you will.

    So you're stance is that anyone who has ever had sex while "drunk" (please define drunk) has been raped.
    You are also stating that anyone who has ever had sex with a "drunk" person is a rapist.

    Which probably means that the vast majority of adults is a rapist AND a victim of rape as well based on your definition of rape.

    Is that what you're saying?
    Does that pretty much cover your stance here?

    Black and white.
    Drunk sex = non-consensual sex = rape.
    Period.
    Always.
    100% of the time.
    Always.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    And that is what we call, blaming the victim.
    That's retarded, and here's why, which drunk person is the victim if both are drunk?

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's retarded, and here's why, which drunk person is the victim if both are drunk?
    I already answered that question.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Point to where I said rape was funny. Quote it if you will.

    So you're stance is that anyone who has ever had sex while "drunk" (please define drunk) has been raped.
    You are also stating that anyone who has ever had sex with a "drunk" person is a rapist.

    Which probably means that the vast majority of adults is a rapist AND a victim of rape as well based on your definition of rape.
    Then why didn't the Atlanta Public Schools think about using that defense during their standardized test scandal? If cheating includes changing students' answers, then how many of their teachers must be cheaters!

    Is that what you're saying?
    Does that pretty much cover your stance here?

    Black and white.
    Drunk sex = non-consensual sex = rape.
    Period.
    Always.
    100% of the time.
    Always.
    Where is your concern for the victim? Why do rape apologists almost always defend the perpetrator?
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    I just realized, I haven't answered the OP yet. And it turns out, it has very little to do with drunk sex.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So according to Yale university non consensual sex is not always rape. I guess I'm old fashioned but I kinda thought non consensual sex was the definition of rape.

    Yale University has found six students guilty of 'non-consensual sex' in the past six months and not one of them has been expelled from the prestigious Ivy League college, according to an official report.
    Four of the perpetrators were given written reprimands after the victims reported the sexual assaults to staff, one student received probation and another was suspended for two semesters but will be free to return next year to graduate - with an Ivy League diploma.

    Yale, which is based in New Haven, Connecticut, said it responded to a total of eight reports of sexual assault in the first half of 2013. The other two students were found not guilty of rape allegations, the school said.


    Read more: Yale's sexual misconduct report does not mention rape instead referring to it as 'non-consensual sex' - a crime they punish with just a written reprimand | Mail Online
    Outrageous, but not surprising. I don't think that there's a violent crime in existence that is justified as much as rape.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Then why didn't the Atlanta Public Schools think about using that defense during their standardized test scandal? If cheating includes changing students' answers, then how many of their teachers must be cheaters!



    Where is your concern for the victim? Why do rape apologists almost always defend the perpetrator?
    Oh lookie.

    An attempt at a complete deflection and end-run around and/or away from actually answering any of my questions.

    Nice.

    Now, how's about you try again.

    Is anyone who has ever had sex with a legally drunk person a rapist?
    Is everyone who ever had sex while being legally drunk been raped?

    Always.
    Without question.
    Black and white.
    Always.
    Regardless of any other extenuating circumstances.
    Regardless of situation.

    If you're legally drunk and having sex you're being raped.
    If you're having sex with a legally drunk person, you are raping that person.

    That's your position on this without question?

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