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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    People cannot legally give consent when drunk.

    Ahahahahaaaaaaaa........ now that's damn funny.

    Have you any idea how many people you've now defined as having raped someone, or been raped themselves??????

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    This is a tough one because both parties could be "drunk" so how can you blame one or the other in that situation? I would say that if you're going to be drinking, to keep yourself under control and always be with at least one friend that you can trust. I would think that even if you're drunk, if you say "yes," it is not "non-consensual" and you have to always be careful when you've been drinking. You are ultimately responsible for your own actions, even if you've been drinking. Be an adult and drink in a responsible manner.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is a tough one because both parties could be "drunk" so how can you blame one or the other in that situation? I would say that if you're going to be drinking, to keep yourself under control and always be with at least one friend that you can trust. I would think that even if you're drunk, if you say "yes," it is not "non-consensual" and you have to always be careful when you've been drinking. You are ultimately responsible for your own actions, even if you've been drinking. Be an adult and drink in a responsible manner.
    Drinking and then having sex is fine provided the other person is mobile, and coherent (ie not semi conscious or passed out). The minute the other person is passed out, or incoherent, then it moves into the rape category
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Drinking and then having sex is fine provided the other person is mobile, and coherent (ie not semi conscious or passed out). The minute the other person is passed out, or incoherent, then it moves into the rape category
    Yes, I would agree that if someone takes advantage of someone who is unconscious, that is definitely non-consensual, but I was referring to just two people who are drunk and might do things they would regret in the morning. You can really only blame yourself for that.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, I would agree that if someone takes advantage of someone who is unconscious, that is definitely non-consensual, but I was referring to just two people who are drunk and might do things they would regret in the morning. You can really only blame yourself for that.
    True enough, getting drunk, willingly having sex and regretting it the next day is not rape, (just a bad decision)


    If it was rape, would it not be mutual rape as both would most likely be drunk, or only if the guy the next day regretted it
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    True enough, getting drunk, willingly having sex and regretting it the next day is not rape, (just a bad decision)


    If it was rape, would it not be mutual rape as both would most likely be drunk, or only if the guy the next day regretted it
    Or if both regret it. I'm sure that happens sometimes too! Lol! Drunk idiots will be drunk idiots.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Ahahahahaaaaaaaa........ now that's damn funny.

    Have you any idea how many people you've now defined as having raped someone, or been raped themselves??????
    Excuse me, sir. Rape is not funny. And drunk people cannot legally give consent.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is where things get awfully tough.
    Define "drunk"
    impossible.
    Not easy, but not impossible. One of the great challenges of the law is to establish objectivity in the case of subjectivity. It is not easy, but this in no way implies that it cannot be done. Otherwise, you might as well throw out all drunk driving laws in existence.

    True rape is violent...there is no arising from a sleep and being confronted with a naked man...this is not a real rape , IMO.
    Whoa. You have some serious misconceptions about rape. Anything less than a clear "yes" from someone who is of sound mind, is a "no." Rape need not involve anything more than emotional coercion. If a woman doesn't want to have sex, but she lets the man inside her just so she can "get it over with," that is not consent. Sex minus consent equals rape. This is not a difficult concept.
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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Excuse me, sir. Rape is not funny. And drunk people cannot legally give consent.
    Drunk people have sex all the time. If the woman or the man says no, then I agree that it's rape, but if both have sex consensually, drunk or not, that is not rape. YOU are responsible for you and your own behavior when drinking.

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    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Drunk people have sex all the time. If the woman or the man says no, then I agree that it's rape, but if both have sex consensually, drunk or not, that is not rape. YOU are responsible for you and your own behavior when drinking.
    Well, in that case, neither party is capable of giving consent. What happens next, legally, you tell me.

    By the way. All this time we've been assuming it's a straight couple. Or a couple in the first place. What if one of those assumptions does not hold?
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