View Poll Results: Is non concentual sex always rape

Voters
72. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, non concensual sex is always rape

    56 77.78%
  • No, non concensual sex is not always rape

    16 22.22%
Page 10 of 21 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 208

Thread: Non consentual sex is not rape

  1. #91
    Anti-Hypocrite
    molten_dragon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Southeast Michigan
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    9,351

    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    That definition would not take into consideration statutory rape when both parties may be willing but one is not of age to give consent...but no use/threat of force came into play.
    Correct. Statutory rape isn't the same thing as rape. That's why it's called statutory rape and not just rape.
    If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.

    If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

  2. #92
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Goldsboro,PA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    5,595
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Non consensual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I agree that it should be decided by a jury. I'm not sure why it would need to be specifically made up of 6 women and 4 men though. The normal jury selection process should work fine.



    That's ridiculous. Men can be and have been raped as well.
    I think not.....
    but, then I have never been in this situation.
    And, I can imagine that its quite horrible.
    The woman, being the smaller/weaker of the two, has a much rougher time when being raped....but, then, again, I do not know exactly what this is like....
    I will, probably modify my position....as I am prone to do this.

  3. #93
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Goldsboro,PA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    5,595
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I think it's too broad a term. All rape is non-consensual sex, but not all non-consensual sex is rape.
    This does, IMO, make the most sense.
    Like other crimes, there must be levels of intensity.

  4. #94
    Professor
    Mathematician's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    09-22-17 @ 09:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    2,147

    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    As might often be the case when large amounts of alcohol and/or drugs might be involved

    A woman lying is plausible, but 61 women telling the same lie? I think if there were that many ''complaints'' the math tells me that lying isn't a factor here, but the good ole boy system at work.
    Careful how you use "same lie". Having 61 women tell the same story about one particular incident is significantly different than 61 women each saying they were raped in 61 independent cases. In the latter case, the expected number of drunken rape allegations is linearly scaled by the number of drunk girls summed over the semester.

    There have clearly been more than 61 kids with the same lie of "Mommy, I didn't eat no cookies."
    "With me everything turns into mathematics."
    "It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well."
    "It is truth very certain that, when it is not in one's power to determine what is true, we ought to follow what is more probable." -- Rene Descartes

  5. #95
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Goldsboro,PA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    5,595
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Non consensual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Bull. Men are rape victims, even some having women rape them. This belief that men cannot be raped by a woman is just plain wrong. It can happen and does happen.
    A point, no doubt..
    But, I'd say that 90% of rapes are doe by men - so-called men..
    A real man loves the woman and rapes...NOT.
    I have been in both places.

  6. #96
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Goldsboro,PA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    5,595
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Non consensual sex is not rape

    Roguenuke's letter , a must read.
    There is nothing like direct, personal experience..

  7. #97
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Goldsboro,PA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    5,595
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Yes.



    People cannot legally give consent when drunk. Nearly every rapist who has ever lived was a male.



    Except, that's not how it tends to go down. Rape is a choice.
    This is where things get awfully tough.
    Define "drunk"
    impossible.
    True rape is violent...there is no arising from a sleep and being confronted with a naked man...this is not a real rape , IMO.

  8. #98
    controlled chaos
    Gaugingcatenate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Formerly of the Southern USA, now permanently in the mountains of Panama
    Last Seen
    07-21-17 @ 02:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,159

    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Correct. Statutory rape isn't the same thing as rape. That's why it's called statutory rape and not just rape.
    Statutory would be a form of rape, a subset of the broader term rape being contained within that broader term of rape... one could call it just "rape" without the qualifier because it is, indeed, rape. Rape without the force you implied is necessary for "rape".
    "...But resist we much, we must and we will much, about that be committed..." --- the right Reverend Alfred Charles "Al" Shaprton, Jr.

  9. #99
    controlled chaos
    Gaugingcatenate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Formerly of the Southern USA, now permanently in the mountains of Panama
    Last Seen
    07-21-17 @ 02:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,159

    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Careful how you use "same lie". Having 61 women tell the same story about one particular incident is significantly different than 61 women each saying they were raped in 61 independent cases. In the latter case, the expected number of drunken rape allegations is linearly scaled by the number of drunk girls summed over the semester.

    There have clearly been more than 61 kids with the same lie of "Mommy, I didn't eat no cookies."
    I agree with that and would also point out that there were 61 complaints, but not all of them have to be only from women. While the majority are probably complaints from females, there was no place where I saw a breakdown as to gender.
    "...But resist we much, we must and we will much, about that be committed..." --- the right Reverend Alfred Charles "Al" Shaprton, Jr.

  10. #100
    Sage
    Cephus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    CA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    29,775

    Re: Non consentual sex is not rape

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is where things get awfully tough.
    Define "drunk"
    impossible.
    True rape is violent...there is no arising from a sleep and being confronted with a naked man...this is not a real rape , IMO.
    Actually, drunk is easy because the state has an objectively measurable and testable standard for what constitutes being drunk.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

    Blog me! YouTube me! VidMe me!

Page 10 of 21 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •