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    Re: What would you consider this portion in regards to abortoin

    It is clearly a pro-choice position, although I voted that I was unsure because the position allows such an unacceptably (to me) short timeframe, after which the woman's choice is definitely removed.

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    Re: What would you consider this portion in regards to abortoin

    First of all, I hate the term "pro-life." I'm consider myself to be "pro-life," because I favor affordable neonatal health care, paid maternity leave, Head Start, affordable health care for impoverished children, and all sorts of other things that increase the probability of survival AFTER birth. And oh yeah, I'm staunchly pro-choice. I see zero conflict there--none.

    Second, that is an EXCELLENT op. Of all the major social issues out there, abortion probably has the most diversity in terms of positions. What should a woman's rights be prior to conception? Prior to 12 weeks? Prior to 21? Prior to birth? And what exceptions to those rules would there be? Though labels can be useful, if ill-defined, they can pigeonhole people into the wrong category.
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    Re: What would you consider this portion in regards to abortoin

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    First of all, I hate the term "pro-life." I'm consider myself to be "pro-life," because I favor affordable neonatal health care, paid maternity leave, Head Start, affordable health care for impoverished children, and all sorts of other things that increase the probability of survival AFTER birth. And oh yeah, I'm staunchly pro-choice. I see zero conflict there--none.
    The terms "pro life" and "pro choice" only discribe a general position on abortion and do not discribe a position on any other issue.

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    Re: What would you consider this portion in regards to abortoin

    I'm pro-life and said that I felt it would be pro-choice. I can appreciate the arguments of others, but I'm of the belief that life begins at conception, so any removal of the baby/fetus/zygote/whatever makes you feel better calling it, is abortion, in my opinion.
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    Re: What would you consider this portion in regards to abortoin

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Say you have an individual who holds the following view.

    During the first trimester, abortion should be legal for any reason. However, after the first trimester it will be illegal save for instances where the woman's physical health is severely in danger OR in the case of rape and incest where an investigation provides reason to believe they were prevented from seeking the abortion earlier by the perpetrator (which essentially would require the occurence to be reported to the police or child services, and thus verifiable).

    Would you refer to this person "Pro-Life" or "Pro-Choice?
    I would consider them a mild pro-choicer, who is a bit naive about the reality of the speed at which are legal system works.

    However, I would also say they don't have a true appreciation or sense of compassion for the heart of the issue, due to the fact that the particulars of the stance rely on judging and possibly even blaming the woman for being victimized and the trauma that can cause.

    But to my mind, someone who's anti-abortion thinks elective abortion should be illegal, period.

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    Re: What would you consider this portion in regards to abortoin

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Say you have an individual who holds the following view.

    During the first trimester, abortion should be legal for any reason. However, after the first trimester it will be illegal save for instances where the woman's physical health is severely in danger OR in the case of rape and incest where an investigation provides reason to believe they were prevented from seeking the abortion earlier by the perpetrator (which essentially would require the occurence to be reported to the police or child services, and thus verifiable).

    Would you refer to this person "Pro-Life" or "Pro-Choice?
    That's pretty much where I stand on abortion. Legal in all cases in the first trimester. Exceptions after that include threat to mother's health, fetal abnormality, rape and/or incest. I call myself pro-choice.
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    Re: What would you consider this portion in regards to abortoin

    This is pretty close to my own position (except rape and incest should not be factors - the baby is not culpable, and after the first trimester, we have a few weeks of the "gray area"). It is neither "pro-life" nor "pro-choice": both labels are designed to distract from the biological reality of fetus development, where definitive human features emerge gradually.

    And this is not any kind of "compromise" - quite the opposite: it is a realistic view, while treating the zygote as a human being or treating the fully-formed baby as an ordinary chunk of tissue is a compromise between reality and ideological statements. Rather, betrayal of the former.

    One of the many cases when simple binary, yes-or-no solutions simply don't reflect the nature of the problem.

    P.S. There is, of course, a pragmatic argument for extending legal abortions beyond the first 12 or 20 weeks: they will be done anyway, in unsafe and exploitative environment. This, however, doesn't seem to be happening on any noticeable scale in the European countries that limit abortion on demand even to 12 weeks (France, Denmark, Czech Republic).
    Last edited by Cyrylek; 08-12-13 at 09:49 AM.

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    Re: What would you consider this portion in regards to abortoin

    This is pretty close to my own position (except rape and incest should not be factors - the baby is not culpable, and after the first trimester, we have a few weeks of the "gray area"). It is neither "pro-life" nor "pro-choice": both labels are designed to distract from the biological reality of fetus development, where definitive human features emerge gradually.

    And this is not any kind of "compromise" - quite the opposite: it is a realistic view, while treating the zygote as a human being or treating the fully-formed baby as an ordinary chunk of tissue is a compromise between reality and ideological statements. Rather, betrayal of the former.

    One of the many cases when simple binary, yes-or-no solutions simply don't reflect the nature of the problem.

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