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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    "popular vote" isn't democracy....it's "mob rule"
    The National Popular Vote bill would end the disproportionate attention and influence of the "mob" in the current handful of closely divided battleground states, such as Ohio and Florida, while the "mobs" of the vast majority of states are ignored.

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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    None of the most rural states is currently a battleground state. But under your system they would still be ignored. The issues they care about would still be ignored. The cost to advertise and campaign in those states exceeds the likely benefit from the votes they would get. A better system would be an electoral college where each state divides their electoral vote proportionally.
    With National Popular Vote, candidates will devote their resources to receiving the most votes nationwide. Candidates will allocate their resources to change the minds of voters in more places, because now the votes of each voter in each state could change the outcome in the national election.

    Candidates get more bang for the buck in smaller towns and rural areas with TV, the main media at the moment.

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    Re: The electoral college

    The president serves the whole country, and they should be elected by the whole country, if a candidate is voted for by the majority of Americans they should win, bottom line.
    The less populated states have more voting power in the senate too, a senator from Wyoming has the same amount of power than one from California, even though they serve a disproportionate amount of people, not saying this is a bad thing, just pointing out that voters is small states do have a say already.
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    Also, a vote in Florida is more decisive than one in say Arkansas...
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by JayGatsby View Post
    The president serves the whole country, and they should be elected by the whole country, if a candidate is voted for by the majority of Americans they should win, bottom line.
    The less populated states have more voting power in the senate too, a senator from Wyoming has the same amount of power than one from California, even though they serve a disproportionate amount of people, not saying this is a bad thing, just pointing out that voters is small states do have a say already.
    The Electoral College is not the issue; the winner take all selection of electors is...
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think the electoral system is fine, but it needs to be tweaked a bit. I'd rather see it done by say, Congressional district. Give each district equal weight so that you can't win simply by getting a few population centers in big states - and get rid of the idea of safe states altogether so that they have to compete in each of them.
    This is an interesting idea. My only concern would be that the vote could end up mirroring the House of Representatives, instead.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This is an interesting idea. My only concern would be that the vote could end up mirroring the House of Representatives, instead.
    Not if the popular vote determines at large electors like the Senate is included...
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    Re: The electoral college

    I agree with those who say that forcing electors to vote proportionally to the way the voters in their state voted would reduce the influence of smaller states and rural areas. That's why I support forcing the electors to vote proportionally.

    Small states and rural areas were granted such disproportionate influence in order to sway them into joining the union. Now that they are safely esconced in the union, and have enjoyed centuries of benefits from this unfair advantage, there is nothing wrong with withdrawing their advantage,
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This is an interesting idea. My only concern would be that the vote could end up mirroring the House of Representatives, instead.
    Yeah, you're right. Temper that with 2 "at large" votes per state that are winner take all? It would be great if we could get rid of gerrymandered districts, but try getting the Democrats and the Republicans to go along with it!


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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    A better system would be an electoral college where each state divides their electoral vote proportionally.
    Any state that enacts the proportional approach on its own would reduce its own influence. This was the most telling argument that caused Colorado voters to agree with Republican Governor Owens and to reject this proposal in November 2004 by a two-to-one margin.

    If the proportional approach were implemented by a state, on its own, it would have to allocate its electoral votes in whole numbers. If a current battleground state were to change its winner-take-all statute to a proportional method for awarding electoral votes, presidential candidates would pay less attention to that state because only one electoral vote would probably be at stake in the state.

    If states were to ever start adopting the whole-number proportional approach on a piecemeal basis, each additional state adopting the approach would increase the influence of the remaining states and thereby would decrease the incentive of the remaining states to adopt it. Thus, a state-by-state process of adopting the whole-number proportional approach would quickly bring itself to a halt, leaving the states that adopted it with only minimal influence in presidential elections.

    The proportional method also could result in third party candidates winning electoral votes that would deny either major party candidate the necessary majority vote of electors and throw the process into Congress to decide.

    If the whole-number proportional approach, the only proportional option available to an individual state on its own, had been in use throughout the country in the nation’s closest recent presidential election (2000), it would not have awarded the most electoral votes to the candidate receiving the most popular votes nationwide. Instead, the result would have been a tie of 269–269 in the electoral vote, even though Al Gore led by 537,179 popular votes across the nation. The presidential election would have been thrown into Congress to decide and resulted in the election of the second-place candidate in terms of the national popular vote.

    A system in which electoral votes are divided proportionally by state would not accurately reflect the nationwide popular vote and would not make every vote equal.

    It would penalize states, such as Montana, that have only one U.S. Representative even though it has almost three times more population than other small states with one congressman. It would penalize fast-growing states that do not receive any increase in their number of electoral votes until after the next federal census. It would penalize states with high voter turnout (e.g., Utah, Oregon).

    Moreover, the fractional proportional allocation approach, which would require a constitutional amendment, does not assure election of the winner of the nationwide popular vote. In 2000, for example, it would have resulted in the election of the second-place candidate.

    A national popular vote is the way to make every person's vote equal and matter to their candidate because it guarantees that the candidate who gets the most votes in all 50 states and DC becomes President.

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