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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Except they wouldn't. Rural areas would probably be completely ignored. It costs a lot to campaign or advertise in rural areas, and with so few people living there that it would only affect the vote a little, a politician would never do anything to try and win their votes.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Xsnake1 View Post
    The idea of the electoral college is the perfect example of "democracy" gone wrong. Presidents should be elected based on the popular vote, not the electoral vote. I want the president that more people voted for, not the one that was supported by bigger states. I live in a blue state and I'm Republican which means when I vote, my vote just gets thrown away and I'm forced to support the democrat because that's who more people in the state vote for. Even if one person wins the popular vote which would mean the majority wants that person, the person that less people want can still win the electoral vote and then we're stuck with him/her. The electoral college is just pure stupidity and it should be abolished.
    sorry my friend, you have got your wires crossed.

    it is the electoral college and pre-17th amendment.... which is Republican government. or mixed government of the founders...federalist 40.

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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I think the electoral college serves a decent purpose in that it limits democracy and gives additional incentive to cover numerous regions that would otherwise be further ignored. One could also tweak the formula for either representation per state or by the electoral votes for each state.
    the electoral college was another preventive to democracy, as was the appointment of senators by the state legislators, with the house being a direct vote of the people.....this is mixed government of the founders.

    Mixed government, also known as a mixed constitution, is a form of government that integrates elements of democracy, aristocracy, and monarchy. In a mixed government, some issues (often defined in a constitution) are decided by the majority of the people, some other issues by few, and some other issues by a single person (also often defined in a constitution). The idea is commonly treated as an antecedent of separation of powers.


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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the electoral college was another preventive to democracy, as was the appointment of senators by the state legislators, with the house being a direct vote of the people.....this is mixed government of the founders.
    I also think we should go back to state legislator election of senators, but there would have to be regulation on the States to ensure that they seat senators. The reason it broke down was partisan politics at the state level led to some states not seating senators for years.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Xsnake1 View Post
    That's the perfect idea, who gave you it Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-un, a book by Josef Stalin. If that happens, the people will have no say in government and the same party would win every election.
    pre-17th amendment-----The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I also think we should go back to state legislator election of senators, but there would have to be regulation on the States to ensure that they seat senators. The reason it broke down was partisan politics at the state level led to some states not seating senators for years.
    well if they dont send someone to the senate, then their state does not get representation.

    by having senators appointed again, ...we again divide power, between the states and the people, and this prevents the federal government from stealing state powers...and stops the spread of democracy, lobbying of the senators by the rich and powerful/ special interest groups

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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Without the Electoral College you do realize that Gore would have been President right?
    Without the Electoral College, we still would very likely not have resolved that to anyone's satisfaction. For all intents and purposes, the popular vote was a tie, in 2000. Remember all the theatrics in Florida, over “hanging chads” and “pregnant chads”, and all the other minute details they were trying to examine, to determine which way Florida ought to go? Imagine if all the votes, nationwide, needed to be examined in that much detail, to determine who really won that election.

    The Electoral College turned an unresolvable tie, in this case, into a meaningful result.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Electoral College turned an unresolvable tie, in this case, into a meaningful result.
    It's not unresolvable, in case of a "tie" (no one gets 270), the Congress selects President.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Xsnake1 View Post
    The idea of the electoral college is the perfect example of "democracy" gone wrong. Presidents should be elected based on the popular vote, not the electoral vote. I want the president that more people voted for, not the one that was supported by bigger states. I live in a blue state and I'm Republican which means when I vote, my vote just gets thrown away and I'm forced to support the democrat because that's who more people in the state vote for. Even if one person wins the popular vote which would mean the majority wants that person, the person that less people want can still win the electoral vote and then we're stuck with him/her. The electoral college is just pure stupidity and it should be abolished.
    Yep, ditch it. It's an outdated idea. No one person should have more of a say in who the president is than any other person just because of where they live.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Without the Electoral College, we still would very likely not have resolved that to anyone's satisfaction. For all intents and purposes, the popular vote was a tie, in 2000. Remember all the theatrics in Florida, over “hanging chads” and “pregnant chads”, and all the other minute details they were trying to examine, to determine which way Florida ought to go? Imagine if all the votes, nationwide, needed to be examined in that much detail, to determine who really won that election.

    The Electoral College turned an unresolvable tie, in this case, into a meaningful result.
    B/S!!! "For all intents and purposes" Al Gore got 500 thousand more votes than George Bush. Had it not been for the Electoral College he would have been elected President. Period!

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