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Thread: The electoral college

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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think the electoral system is fine, but it needs to be tweaked a bit. I'd rather see it done by say, Congressional district. Give each district equal weight so that you can't win simply by getting a few population centers in big states - and get rid of the idea of safe states altogether so that they have to compete in each of them.
    States have that ability to decide on that method today and two have chosen it.

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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Right, I know it wasn't mandated, but wasn't that the idea?
    The idea was actually so that they could oppose popular vote if need be. It was a protection against popularism, there are a few such protections put in because the founders knew too well the follies and downfalls of popularism (which is also why we aren't a pure democracy in general).
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The idea was actually so that they could oppose popular vote if need be. It was a protection against popularism, there are a few such protections put in because the founders knew too well the follies and downfalls of popularism (which is also why we aren't a pure democracy in general).
    Ah yes, you are correct. I think people forget that we are not a pure democracy. Federated Republic is what we are. Although we don't do a lot of the things the way they were intended, but that was bound to happen.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Xsnake1 View Post
    We don't really need candidates to focus anywhere. We have TV and the internet now, people can find out about candidates no matter where they campaign.
    They can. But campaigning and focused advertising are still very effective. And the candidates would continue to simply ignore the people in much of the United States.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Ah yes, you are correct. I think people forget that we are not a pure democracy. Federated Republic is what we are. Although we don't do a lot of the things the way they were intended, but that was bound to happen.
    That's what happens when you don't properly restrain government. It will do what it's not supposed to do, government loves doing things it's not supposed to do.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Xsnake1 View Post
    If we get rid of the electoral system, candidates will be forced to focus on all states instead of just swing states
    Why would they do that? You just need to focus on getting the most votes possible, which means spending even more time in the most populated areas.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You also realize to change it you have to change the Constitution? Good luck with that.
    Unfortunately you wouldn't. Since states control their own method of choosing electors, once enough states that add up to 270 votes sign on to this, they can effectively make it a popular vote system.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Under the current system the state with the America's highest population, California gets ignored and all of the attention is placed on Florida, Ohio, Virginia and maybe Pennsylvania. Plus American citizens living in the US territories cannot vote for President even if they were born on the mainland, lived in Texas their whole lives and recently relocate there.
    I don't feel sad that the 3rd biggest economy in the world doesn't get even more attention than it already does. If California had more political diversity, they would concentrate more on it. When North Dakota was looking like it could be a swing state, both Hillary and Obama came over. Of course, we were Romney country (and eventually McCain) here, but when things got interesting to their pollsters, they diverted more attention and resources to the area than they had in decades.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Xsnake1 View Post
    It does not keep elections fair. I live in a blue state so when I vote Republican my vote just gets thrown away. Maybe if the electoral college was ended, candidates would focus their attention on the whole country instead of just swing states which would cause people to be influenced differently.
    Except they wouldn't. Rural areas would probably be completely ignored. It costs a lot to campaign or advertise in rural areas, and with so few people living there that it would only affect the vote a little, a politician would never do anything to try and win their votes.
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    Re: The electoral college

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I don't feel sad that the 3rd biggest economy in the world doesn't get even more attention than it already does. If California had more political diversity, they would concentrate more on it. When North Dakota was looking like it could be a swing state, both Hillary and Obama came over. Of course, we were Romney country (and eventually McCain) here, but when things got interesting to their pollsters, they diverted more attention and resources to the area than they had in decades.
    I understand your concern. If we went to popular vote instead of winner take all swing states, a lot of the focus would be on big cities. Puerto Rico would instantly be as important as Atlanta, which would be funny considering Puerto isn't presently represented in the EC and Atlanta is part of a winner takes all red state where metro Atlanta is outnumbered by the rest of the state.

    What might also happen is states like North Dakota could possibly start to get attention and treated like medium sized cities if media outlets in Fargo for example reach their entire state in hopes of getting a lot of smaller populated areas to win against fewer bigger cities. Who knows. One man one vote just seems more fair.

    Any serious campaign finance reform probably ought to include language that spends money in a way that give relative equal focus on all regions of the country where dollars spent is commensurate with in each region's populations, especially if the EC is done away with.
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