View Poll Results: What religion are you

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  • Christian/Catholic

    13 10.66%
  • Christian/Protestant

    23 18.85%
  • Christian/LDS

    4 3.28%
  • Christian/Other

    12 9.84%
  • Jewish

    0 0%
  • Muslim

    0 0%
  • Buddhist

    2 1.64%
  • Hindu

    1 0.82%
  • Other

    25 20.49%
  • atheist

    42 34.43%
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Thread: Debate Politics Religion Census

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    Re: Debate Politics Religion Census

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I've noticed that there seems to be no consensus, among those who self-identify as atheist or agnostic, as to the difference between the two.

    Most agnostics I've ever known personally say they are "agnostic" because they do not believe there is proof of a God, but that they do not exclude the possibility, and distinguish themselves thus from "atheists". Yet most who self-label as "atheist" do not define "agnostic" that way. It gets a bit confusing.
    The way I usually describe it is that atheism is agnosticism plus practical philosophy. And in some cases, agnosticism is addressing a different issue entirely.

    Agnosticism stops at the question of whether there can be knowledge about whether a deity exists. For an agnostic, presumably the answer is "no," but there is no conclusion drawn from that about how we live our lives.

    In some ways, your typical atheist are even more agnostic than agnostics are. In most cases, they aren't trying to answer the question of whether it is possible to have knowledge of deities. They are only assessing the current evidence that exists. And for an atheist, the answer to that is "none." In addition, it usually includes a component of practical philosophy: if there is presently no reason to believe something exists, then we should not factor it into our assessment of the reality we live in until such a time as there is.

    This is why there is such a thing as an "agnostic atheist," but not such a thing as an "atheist agnostic."

    Agnosticism is mostly addressing a question of the limits of knowledge. Atheism is mostly addressing practical philosophy for living.

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    Re: Debate Politics Religion Census

    sounds like smoke and mirrors to me

    As a lifelong Atheist and a creature that shares 98% of his DNA with the Chimpanzee
    I will readily admit "the limits of knowledge" but when I consider the advances in our knowledge
    over the last two to three hundred years (in a Universe that is 14.6 billion years old)
    heck just the advancement that I've had the joyous wonder to witness during the
    infinitesimally miniscule 54 years I've been alive

    I can live out my life just fine never knowing the answers to some seemingly basic questions
    that hopefully we humans might (by the grace of gawd lol) one day advance to the point
    where we can finally get the answers:
    What came before the big bang?
    What lies beyond the edge of the observable Universe?
    How does this 3 pound lump of fat between our ears achieve consciousness, sentience, self-awareness?
    oh hell while I'm being greedy the complete answer for ToE

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    Re: Debate Politics Religion Census

    The interminable debate about agnosticism and atheism seems rather pointless in this context. Neither are a religion so the appropriate census option would be "None".

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    Re: Debate Politics Religion Census

    I am in agreement with that analysis.

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    Re: Debate Politics Religion Census

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's an irrelevant option on the poll, virtually all self-professed agnostics are actually atheists who don't understand what the terminology means.
    You're inaccurately generalizing. Agnostics believe the truth about religion is unknowable. I am not committed to believing there is no god nor am I committed to believing in one. That means I don't fall under the definition of Atheist.
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    Re: Debate Politics Religion Census

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Quite true I see scientologists are conspicuously absent from the list :P
    Scientology is not a religion, it's a scam.
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    Re: Debate Politics Religion Census

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    No, it means a real uncertainty, or one can hold a belief that something can be created from nothing...
    Just to clear the air on this, agnosticism only means the following:

    ag·nos·ti·cism (g-nst-szm)
    n.
    1. The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge.
    2. The belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.

    That said, agnostics are atheists.
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    Re: Debate Politics Religion Census

    Evangelical Christian here, we are an endangered species on the internet
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    Re: Debate Politics Religion Census

    Quote Originally Posted by sbrettt View Post
    You're inaccurately generalizing. Agnostics believe the truth about religion is unknowable. I am not committed to believing there is no god nor am I committed to believing in one. That means I don't fall under the definition of Atheist.
    That is true, but this isn't a poll about the truth of religion, but about belief in gods. You either believe that gods exist or you do not. It is a binary proposition. If you believe a god exists, you are a theist. If you do not, and that includes not knowing or not caring, you are an atheist. Atheism is not the belief that gods do not exist, it is the lack of belief that they do.

    You're an atheist. Deal with it.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Debate Politics Religion Census

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