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    Re: Is atheism a religion

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I gotta wonder how many rational people consider rejecting a belief in a God(s) to be a religion unto itself.
    None. Rational people don't think absurd things like that.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You're right. We've already established that it's a religious belief.
    We have? Because you seem to be the only one around here who thinks so.

    Basically. It's part of their culture, but nothing really more. Do you consider the guy that goes to church once a year with his family for a holiday "religious", if it never broaches his mind otherwise? Why or why not?
    Yet more evidence you have no clue what you're talking about, or you're a troll.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Arguably. Arguably not.
    If you can't be precise in what you communicate, you aren't actually communicating anything to debate. Please try again.

    The question is whether you believe there's something outside of this reality. Or you believe you just don't know.
    But that question has been answered. Again, it is as follows.

    Knowledge of reality ultimately requires evidence/observation of reality.
    Anything defined as "outside of reality" is equivalent to "not real". Real (in reality), not real (not in reality).

    Belief of something as being in reality, that by definition is "outside of reality" is contradictory.
    Also note, something outside of reality by definition can have no evidence/observation.

    As such, if you don't' want to call it absurd or contradictory, we have the term "faith".
    Faith is a belief in something, that doesn't require evidence/observation. So belief in an mystical being that is "outside of reality", is faith-based.
    In logical contrast, a reasoned belief would be a belief in something as being real that does require evidence/observation.

    It all can be summarized simply by noting that it's either REAL, or NOT REAL.
    Real being, in reality.

    If you want to postulate some concept as being outside of reality, that's not real.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Huh? You just agreed with me and said I was wrong.
    Atheism is as close to a religion as one can get without being a religion. Like, for example, Taurus and Sable cars. Atheism is, however, a belief. It's an ideology.

    I also pointed out every ideology is allowed in American law except religion even though there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents religion from being in American law.

    IMO, the reason why religion isn't allowed in American law is because some people would be offended if religion was allowed in American law. What would happen if Christians in America showed offense (in the way of law suits) if religion wasn't allowed in American law? I ponder this because there's nothing in the Constitution preventing this from happening.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I don't have a belief.
    According to OldWorldOrder, that's a religion....

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Atheism is as close to a religion as one can get without being a religion. Like, for example, Taurus and Sable cars. Atheism is, however, a belief. It's an ideology.
    It's not a belief, it's a lack of belief. Try again.

    IMO, the reason why religion isn't allowed in American law is because some people would be offended if religion was allowed in American law. What would happen if Christians in America showed offense (in the way of law suits) if religion wasn't allowed in American law? I ponder this because there's nothing in the Constitution preventing this from happening.
    The reason religion isn't allowed in American law is because the founding fathers were afraid of America turning into another England of the era. That's why they declared American government to be secular. Too bad it hasn't stayed that way.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    According to OldWorldOrder, that's a religion....
    I'll stop paying taxes then.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Atheism is, however, a belief. It's an ideology.
    Atheism is not an ideology. Atheism is one single belief, that there is no god, or no evidence of god. That is not an ideology. Conservatism, or Liberalism, for example, are political ideologies, and there are atheists in either camp. All atheism is, is one belief about one idea.

    Here are 3 dictionary definitions of ideology, they all agree that an ideology is a whole body of beliefs, not just one independent belief.

    ideology
    ˌīdēˈləjēˌidē-
    noun
    noun: ideology; plural noun: ideologies

    1.
    a system of ideas and ideals, esp. one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
    "the ideology of republicanism"
    synonyms: beliefs, ideas, ideals, principles, ethics, morals; More
    a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture
    b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture
    c : the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program
    ideology (d-l-j, d-)
    n. pl. ideologies
    1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.
    2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.
    Atheism is none of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I also pointed out every ideology is allowed in American law except religion even though there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents religion from being in American law.
    The 1st Amendment prevents it.

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    IMO, the reason why religion isn't allowed in American law is because some people would be offended if religion was allowed in American law.
    No, it's because it's unconstitutional. The oppression and violence that were being committed by the governments of the few religious colonies in America before the founding of the USA were remedied by keeping religion out of law.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not a belief, it's a lack of belief. Try again.



    The reason religion isn't allowed in American law is because the founding fathers were afraid of America turning into another England of the era. That's why they declared American government to be secular. Too bad it hasn't stayed that way.
    Wrong interpretation. The Founding Fathers meant gov't shouldn't elect one religion as the gov't religion, as it was in England, and was the reason why Pilgrims came to the New World.... to be allowed to practice their own religious beliefs without gov't persecution.. Do you recall some of the laws during the time of the Pilgrims in the New World? The Founding Fathers were, in the religion portion of the 1st amendment of the Constitution, saying that the legal practices of the Pilgrims pertaining to religion were OK, but the legal practices of religion pertaining to the gov't of England WEREN'T OK. OK?

    And finally, an ideology, as atheism is, is a belief... No? Prove there's no God.
    Lack of belief in, for example, abortion = belief..
    Lack of belief in, for example, creationism, = belief... Figure it out.

    What is the underlying principle(s) of an atheist ideology, or belief?
    Well, one would be there's no God.
    A second, using my own interpretations, is God should be entirely left out of gov't.

    Re read the religion part of the 1st amendment to the Constitution again
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