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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Inasmuch as I believe I hold no belief in the supernatural.
    Ahh, was that so hard?!
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    So back to the simple question to you OldWorldOrder. Please define this concept you're inquiring about "no god", so we can see if the question can be answered.
    Given the volume of "posts" you've written, surely you can explain your own question by showing us the premises. I mean, premises are important to a reasoned argument, surely you agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Right. Belief. I'm not talking about faith or reason. But thanks, that was helpful of you.
    Apparently you aren't understanding. Logically, it must be one of them, neither is illogical. I don't think you want to just lose the argument by denying logic (while simultaneously using it)...do you?

    Belief requiring evidence.
    Belief not requiring evidence.

    A
    not A

    Logically one must be true. That you choose neither, evidences your fallacy. Please try again.

    Countless people hold faith-based beliefs with no evidence or in-spite of existing evidence.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Why wouldn't I?
    You tell me, again, choose a word that describes a construct without proof.



    Are you telling me how I think? Can I respond in kind?
    And a change of topic once again, playing the victim. Can you ever get to a point of accepting thoughts without belief?



    And that's a belief that you have. I, too, am fine with unknowns. I recognize that that is a belief that I have. You, ostensibly, do not recognize that about yourself. I hope it's okay that I tell you how you think.
    That is your contradiction, you are trying to have beliefs about not believing.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I know that, I knew that from your first response, this is the path of infantile argument, to come to the point of proclaiming apathy in the face of a self imposed stalemate.
    Are you telling me how I think?

    When? When I asked you to choose a word, your own word, to describe a construct that requires no proof?
    You consider that someone telling you how to think, putting words in your mouth?
    Again, you have me confused with someone else.[/quote]

    It's okay when you do it. Got it.

    I responded to your insistence that atheists believe anything. You still cannot remember the original argument.
    And there you go. Telling me how I think. Why did you have such a problem with it when I did if you're so disposed to doing it yourself?

    I am describing your actions, not the working of your mind, not your thought process.
    No, you're not, dear.

    No, you hang up.
    You're becoming increasingly nonsensical.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You tell me, again, choose a word that describes a construct without proof.
    Sympathy.

    And a change of topic once again, playing the victim. Can you ever get to a point of accepting thoughts without belief?
    Can you ever get to a point of accepting that all thoughts have intrinsic beliefs? Can you ever get to that plane of understanding?

    That is your contradiction, you are trying to have beliefs about not believing.
    There is your problem.

    It is the snake eating its tail.
    lol

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Apparently you aren't understanding. Logically, it must be one of them, neither is illogical.
    It?

    Surely you wish to remain logical?
    I've been quite logically consistent throughout.

    Belief requiring evidence.
    Belief not requiring evidence.
    Belief in red.
    Belief in blue.
    The colors aren't the issue. The belief is. Having it. I don't care why one has it, just that people admit that they do, indeed, have it.

    A
    not A

    Logically one must be true. That you choose neither, evidences your fallacy. Please try again.
    No, simply.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Ahhh, an internet blog! I must duck away in defeat!

    When the topic is theism, atheism, and agnosticism, what you believe is entirely what the conversation hinges upon. Does this bother you? I don't care.
    perhaps you should look at the content of what I quoted and what the words actually say and mean instead of fallaciously flailing at the source.

    Would you care to explain how what you are doing is not equivocation?
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Inasmuch as I believe I hold no belief in the supernatural. Your pointette is nonsensical.
    You do hold beliefs about the supernatural though. You just, presumably, understand that by definition they do not refer to real things.

    Which goes back to his definition of god and such. If god is defined as supernatural, outside of reality, and thus, by definition "not real", his question looking something like "Do you believe that in reality there exists the not-real"? Which doesn't need to appeal to reasoning for truth, it's a logical fact that if those premises are true, the not-real does not exist in reality. The reason that's important is because if it were necessary for you to use reasoned belief to state that as true, you'd be in the absurd position of having to show evidence for something that by definition can have NO EVIDENCE, since its "not real". That's the trick some people accidentally, or intentionally, like to play in this debate.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    perhaps you should look at the content of what I quoted and what the words actually say and mean instead of fallaciously flailing at the source.
    Because when the discussion is about the meaning of one word, the meaning of that one word is of some importance.

    Would you care to explain how what you are doing is not equivocation?
    By focusing on the idea of believing whether god exists or believing that he does not (or believing that you don't know)? Err...how about who would win that basketball game?
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You do hold beliefs about the supernatural though.
    I do.

    You just, presumably, understand that by definition they do not refer to real things.
    Arguably. Arguably not.

    Which goes back to his definition of god and such. If god is defined as supernatural, outside of reality, and thus, by definition "not real", his question looking something like "Do you believe that in reality there exists the not-real"? Which doesn't need to appeal to reasoning for truth, it's a logical fact that if those premises are true, the not-real does not exist in reality. The reason that's important is because if it were necessary for you to use reasoned belief to state that as true, you'd be in the absurd position of having to show evidence for something that by definition can have NO EVIDENCE, since its "not real". That's the trick some people accidentally, or intentionally, like to play in this debate.
    No. The question is whether you believe there's something outside of this reality. Or you believe you just don't know.
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