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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Most atheists don't believe that no god exists.

    They simply don't believe claims made by the religious, because there's no evidence for them.

    Rejecting someone else's positive claim is not a belief.
    I think the term you are looking for is "agnostic," they are the ones who claim to neither believe nor disbelieve in God. However, in my opinion, such a middle-of-the-road stance is impossible for the human mind to take.

    If I tell you not to imagine a pink elephant, the first thing you will do is imagine a pink elephant. That's because the human mind can't deal in negatives, it only deals in concepts and constructs. Thus, a person who is atheistic generally believes that no god exists. They may, however, concede that there is no evidence to support the assertion that no god exists, and that it's simply an opinion.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Thus, a person who is atheistic generally believes that no god exists.
    Er...yes and no...it's an oversimplification. If an atheist says "there is no god," that's usually an abbreviated version of the more formal "As there is no evidence to support the claim that there is a god, it is reasonable to conclude until such evidence comes to light that there is no god."

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    They may, however, concede that there is no evidence to support the assertion that no god exists, and that it's simply an opinion.
    You can't demand that someone prove a negative.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you are an atheist then you most likely believe in the theory of evolution, the big bag theory and any numerous theories not rooted in a belief of a deity. So you do believe something.
    People do not believe in the theory of evolution.

    You either understand it or you don't.

    That alone hardly constitutes a religion any more than believing in the Declaration of Independence.

    Atheism is not a religion.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you are an atheist then you most likely believe in the theory of evolution, the big bag theory and any numerous theories not rooted in a belief of a deity. So you do believe something.
    Which has absolutely zip to do with being non-theistic.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Er...yes and no...it's an oversimplification. If an atheist says "there is no god," that's usually an abbreviated version of the more formal "As there is no evidence to support the claim that there is a god, it is reasonable to conclude until such evidence comes to light that there is no god."
    It's not an oversimplification, it's the product of a mind who can organize his thoughts. You have a claim, and then you have supporting (and implied) logic to back up that claim.

    Claim: There is no God

    Supporting Logic: Since there is no evidence to support the claim that God exists

    Implied Logic: Evidence is required in order for one to reasonably believe in God


    Thus, the belief (or claim) is simply that God does not exist, just like I said.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You can't demand that someone prove a negative.
    I never demanded anything. I pointed out the fact that one cannot prove that God does not exist, therefore the atheist who does not believe in God is not basing his belief on concrete proof of anything.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    People do not believe in the theory of evolution.

    You either understand it or you don't.
    Such arrogance. I understand the theory probably better than you do, and I don't believe it. Sue me.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Which has absolutely zip to do with being non-theistic.
    Did you catch the logic there that deems that the Catholic Church is a bunch of atheists per James's criteria?
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Such arrogance. I understand the theory probably better than you do, and I don't believe it. Sue me.
    Your postings suggests you do not even have the most pedestrian grasp of any of the concepts that make up the foundation of the Theory of Evolution much less the finer points it makes.

    Especially the fact that you never refute anything said and you run away from long technical posts.

    Furthermore, if you truly believe you understand the theory, you shouldn't have any problem convincing PHds in the hard sciences that evolution is false here.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Such arrogance. I understand the theory probably better than you do, and I don't believe it. Sue me.
    Care to put that to the test? What does "fittest" mean?

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's not an oversimplification, it's the product of a mind who can organize his thoughts. You have a claim, and then you have supporting (and implied) logic to back up that claim.

    Claim: There is no God

    Supporting Logic: Since there is no evidence to support the claim that God exists

    Implied Logic: Evidence is required in order for one to reasonably believe in God


    Thus, the belief (or claim) is simply that God does not exist, just like I said.
    Do you have a problem with evidence being required in order to make the claim that god exists?


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I never demanded anything. I pointed out the fact that one cannot prove that God does not exist, therefore the atheist who does not believe in God is not basing his belief on concrete proof of anything.
    You may not be "demanding" that proof of the negative be given, but you sure are putting the burden on atheists to prove that there is no god. The result is convenient (and painfully obvious): divert attention away from those making the claim that god exists.

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