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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No "gotcha" intended, I asked you a serious question so no need to get offended.

    Perhaps, rather than just claiming that everyone else is an idiot, it's just that dictionary definitions take precedence over the musings of the bluestocking crowd of philosophers. That doesn't come down to ignorance so much as prioritization.

    Academically, I can see how there is a difference between the claim that there is a lack of evidence in which to believe something and a claim that something simply doesn't exist.

    Practically and in the real world, however, such a distinction does not exist. Like I told you before, the human mind doesn't work that way. You either believe that god/gods exist, or you don't... and you make your best judgement based on your past and on the evidence you've examined.

    Belief does not equal certainty. Neither does belief require absolute proof.
    Well, then I suggest you check your dictionary.

    Merriam-Webster, agnostic:

    : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
    You see the bolded part there? This is what makes it a totally different subject from atheism. Atheism itself has no opinion about whether or not the nature of deities is knowable.

    Such a distinction absolutely exists so long as the person contemplating it is intelligent enough to understand it.

    There are plenty of ways a deity-like entity or system could potentially work that can't be excluded, and there are also millions of non-described possible deities that can't be excluded either.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You DID Wiki it! Thats funny right there!!!
    I did?

    Perhaps I just have a baseline understanding of what I'm talking about?

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Aaaand I stopped reading there. If you won't spend fifteen minutes reading a damn wiki entry that would at least elevate you from making a complete ass out of yourself, then have some self respect and stop commenting on the subject.

    As a "fan of science" surely you can appreciate that much.
    Do you realize how many theories there have been and still are one the hows and whys of 'mutation'? Solely on the 'mutations' that led to eyes, ears, etc?

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats a buttload of 'matter'.
    I guess. We don't exactly have other universes to compare it to. But bigger than a bread box? Sure.

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    Where did it all come from?
    I've told you what is known, which is that all matter radiated from a single point. If there was a strong scientific theory for where it came from I would have said so.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are lazy period. You arent 'curious'...you just wait for some form of proof to be given to you by others. That is the ultimate in lazy. And if you think science is all about trying to prove a hypothesis 'wrong' I suggest you spend a little time in the universities. Theorists are driven to be 'right', not 'wrong'. Evolutionists didnt set to prove why NOT...they set out to prove how so. Read any of the literature on the theory of the evolutionary development of complex organs.

    And on those things where there is no proven science...well...it must be an interesting life to be completely vapid, waiting for someone to give you 'proof'.

    Yes...the definitions and delineations of an 'atheist' are evolving...arent they? Read the descriptions on atheists.org and you will see that evolution in action. Its rather schizophrenic...you are...but you arent...but...you are. Religion? I particularly like this comment..."Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color, and 2) If atheism is a religion then health is a disease. A new one introduced in 2012 by Bill Maher is, "If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."

    Well actually, I have done some reading on the points you suggest. And yes a lot of secondary science does read as if it were trying to prove and not trying to disprove. That does not mean that is good science. It means a lot of science is argued back-assed. I remember a book by Dawkins, where he acts as tough he proves Theism wrong with evolution. It was, scientifically speaking, a farce.
    Anyway, it seems quite silly to want to prove things generally. Of course you can prove something within the context. But the God thing seems to be extra contextual, so to speak.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you realize how many theories there have been and still are one the hows and whys of 'mutation'? Solely on the 'mutations' that led to eyes, ears, etc?
    Since you've demonstrated that you don't know the definition of scientific theory (which you could, you know, look up, but I guess that's crazy talk, right?) everything about the above sentence is extremely suspect.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Since you've demonstrated that you don't know what the definition of a scientific theory (which you could, you know, look up, but I guess that's crazy talk, right?) everything about the above sentence is extremely suspect.
    That fits your normal response train.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Well, then I suggest you check your dictionary.

    Merriam-Webster, agnostic:



    You see the bolded part there? This is what makes it a totally different subject from atheism. Atheism itself has no opinion about whether or not the nature of deities is knowable.

    Such a distinction absolutely exists so long as the person contemplating it is intelligent enough to understand it.

    There are plenty of ways a deity-like entity or system could potentially work that can't be excluded, and there are also millions of non-described possible deities that can't be excluded either.
    Did you really just use the dictionary definition of the word "agnostic" to try to prove why your definition of "atheist" is correct, all while saying that atheism and agnosticism are "totally different subjects?"

    So, if they're mutually exclusive, how is the definition of the one going to support your assertion of the definition of the other?

    And what you're describing here sounds an awful lot like an agnostic viewpoint : "There are plenty of ways a deity-like entity or system could potentially work that can't be excluded, and there are also millions of non-described possible deities that can't be excluded either."
    Last edited by Peter Grimm; 08-21-13 at 01:16 PM.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I guess. We don't exactly have other universes to compare it to. But bigger than a bread box? Sure.



    I've told you what is known, which is that all matter radiated from a single point. If there was a strong scientific theory for where it came from I would have said so.
    I GET the theory. And its a GREAT theory...lots of work to be done, still to be done. But its a great theory. Something to 'believe' in. For now.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That fits your normal response train.
    Well you've sort of brought this discussion to a stand still with your deliberate ignorance. You refuse to take five minutes to educate yourself on the meanings of scientific theory or the scientific method, you won't read up on what the Big Bang is, and you refuse to take fifteen minutes to read up on evolution so you stop making a complete fool of yourself. There's nowhere to go from here.

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