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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Notice it gives two definitions and you choose to believe only one of them: the one that suits you.

    You're incorrect. Agnosticism is a completely different subject. Atheism and agnosticism are not part of a continuum.

    Agnosticism is addressing the question of what kind of knowledge is possible. Atheism is not. It is only addressing what knowledge we have, and reaching a conclusion from that. For the overwhelming majority of atheism, that conclusion is that there is presently no reason to believe in a deity.
    1-A lack of belief in deities. 2-The specific position that there is no deity. Two descriptions...same intent. Atheists = there is no God. Agnostics = there could be a God...dont know, dont really care. I dont see how anything you felt the need to write is ANY different than what I said.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    1-A lack of belief in deities. 2-The specific position that there is no deity. Two descriptions...same intent. Atheists = there is no God. Agnostics = there could be a God...dont know, dont really care. I dont see how anything you felt the need to write is ANY different than what I said.
    Then you don't understand what you're reading, and you don't understand the difference between knowledge and what is knowable.

    Tell me something. Are these the same question?

    "Is it possible to time travel?"

    "Has time travel ever occurred?"

    Are those different questions to you, or are they the same?

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Then you don't understand what you're reading, and you don't understand the difference between knowledge and what is knowable.

    Tell me something. Are these the same question?

    "Is it possible to time travel?"

    "Has time travel ever occurred?"

    Are those different questions to you, or are they the same?
    Atheists do not believe in a God. Period. Agnostics do not know if there is a God. Period. If an atheist were to say.."I dont believe there is a God but there COULD be a God...I just dont know" then they would not BE an Atheist...they would be agnostic. But then...being an agnostic isnt as much fun as being an Atheist.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Atheists do not believe in a God. Period. Agnostics do not know if there is a God. Period. If an atheist were to say.."I dont believe there is a God but there COULD be a God...I just dont know" then they would not BE an Atheist...they would be agnostic. But then...being an agnostic isnt as much fun as being an Atheist.
    I see that you never answered my question. Do you plan to?

    Atheists do not believe in a god. However, that does not mean they claim to know if one exists. They just have no compelling reason to believe in any of the proposed gods at this time.

    An agnostic does not know if KNOWLEDGE of a god is possible to acquire.

    Do you see how that is a different subject altogether?

    Are you going to answer my question?

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I see that you never answered my question. Do you plan to?

    Atheists do not believe in a god. However, that does not mean they claim to know if one exists. They just have no compelling reason to believe in any of the proposed gods at this time.

    An agnostic does not know if KNOWLEDGE of a god is possible to acquire.

    Do you see how that is a different subject altogether?

    Are you going to answer my question?
    No...I wont be answering your silly question. If however you would like to stay on topic and ask questions that are relevant, that will be fine. All of the commonly accepted definitions are very clear. Atheists dont believe in a God or religion. Agnostics dont know. So...what are you?

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...I wont be answering your silly question. If however you would like to stay on topic and ask questions that are relevant, that will be fine. All of the commonly accepted definitions are very clear. Atheists dont believe in a God or religion. Agnostics dont know. So...what are you?
    The reality is, nobody knows. Knowledge requires some basis upon which to make that determination and nobody has a shred of evidence whatsoever. Therefore, using that definition, everyone is an agnostic and the word becomes pointless. The only valid use of the word therefore is the "availability of knowledge". Is it possible to know? And that has nothing whatsoever to do with belief, thus, agnosticism is not a replacement for atheism or theism, it's an entirely different concept.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The reality is, nobody knows. Knowledge requires some basis upon which to make that determination and nobody has a shred of evidence whatsoever. Therefore, using that definition, everyone is an agnostic and the word becomes pointless. The only valid use of the word therefore is the "availability of knowledge". Is it possible to know? And that has nothing whatsoever to do with belief, thus, agnosticism is not a replacement for atheism or theism, it's an entirely different concept.
    That is a fair statement, which is why I said earlier I dont believe in atheists. Most atheists just like to piss Christians off. I DO find people that make the statement "I KNOW beyond any shadow of a doubt that there is a God" to be as annoying as those that claim unequivocally "there is no God". It is NOT dishonest to say that many people so greatly embrace their faith and belief that to them there is no room for question.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That is a fair statement, which is why I said earlier I dont believe in atheists. Most atheists just like to piss Christians off. I DO find people that make the statement "I KNOW beyond any shadow of a doubt that there is a God" to be as annoying as those that claim unequivocally "there is no God". It is NOT dishonest to say that many people so greatly embrace their faith and belief that to them there is no room for question.
    I don't care what they say, I care about what they can prove. They can say they "KNOW" that aliens are running the government, that doesn't make that claim of knowledge credible. No matter how strong one's faith happens to be, that doesn't mean that they have any actual knowledge, otherwise it wouldn't require faith. I don't see very many people claiming that they *KNOW* that there are no gods anywhere, although there are certainly some gods we can know don't exist because they are logically contradictory.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    This whole thing goes back to divisions within:

    gnostic theists
    agnostic theists
    agnostic atheists
    gnostic atheists

    The question is about knowledge versus belief. "I've never seen a reason to believe there are deities," versus, "I have evidence that there are no deities." Same with the religious folks and faith versus knowledge.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    I do not understand why theists keep trying to define atheism to atheists.
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