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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Dictionaries have been quoted, atheism meets the criteria to be a religion.
    If that's so, my lack of belief in Shiva makes my belief a religion.

    Does rejecting a bunch of deities make those beliefs a religion? Does merely lacking a belief in some deities make those lack of beliefs a religion?

    I reject that the God Emperor that sits on the Golden Throne on Earth and who commands the Space Marines doesn't exist. Does that make that belief a religion?

    How about rejection of Khorne and Slaanesh?

    The logic that makes Atheism a religion also mandates that every lack of belief or rejection of any belief is therefore a Religion.

    I reject that it's good to wear black socks. Is that a religion?

    I have no opinions or beliefs on polkadots. Is that a religion?
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There are many religions which do not worship any god. Like Buddhism. These religions are deistic, not theistic.

    Lack of belief in a god means atheism is a deistic religion.
    Jerry..."a lack of belief" is more akin to agnostic. The "unadulterated absence of belief" is atheist. Been an atheist as far back in my life as I can remember...in other words since I was a kid. Most likely before you were born.

    I'm college educated...I have a good understanding of the words "deist, theist, atheist".

    Gods don't compute for me. I don't think about, ponder or make any considerations about a supernatural being, deity, etc existing in our universe or any possible universe or universes. I don't believe in ghosts, devil, demons...ZERO supernatural beings.

    Taoists, buddhists etc....or more of akin to philosophy than religion.

    Bottom line...Atheism is NOT a religion. Never has been nor will it be...unless I decide on starting an "Atheist Church" so I can be a tax free entity like Scientology.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If that's so, my lack of belief in Shiva makes my belief a religion.

    Does rejecting a bunch of deities make those beliefs a religion? Does merely lacking a belief in some deities make those lack of beliefs a religion?

    I reject that the God Emperor that sits on the Golden Throne on Earth and who commands the Space Marines doesn't exist. Does that make that belief a religion?

    How about rejection of Khorne and Slaanesh?

    The logic that makes Atheism a religion also mandates that every lack of belief or rejection of any belief is therefore a Religion.

    I reject that it's good to wear black socks. Is that a religion?

    I have no opinions or beliefs on polkadots. Is that a religion?
    Lack of belief in any god at all is deism.

    It's called atheism, not adeism. There is no god required for it to be a religion. See Buddhism for an example.

    You seem to think that religion = believing in a god. That's simply not true. Belief in a god and religion are not the same thing.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Jerry..."a lack of belief" is more akin to agnostic. The "unadulterated absence of belief" is atheist. Been an atheist as far back in my life as I can remember...in other words since I was a kid. Most likely before you were born.

    I'm college educated...I have a good understanding of the words "deist, theist, atheist".

    Gods don't compute for me. I don't think about, ponder or make any considerations about a supernatural being, deity, etc existing in our universe or any possible universe or universes. I don't believe in ghosts, devil, demons...ZERO supernatural beings.

    Taoists, buddhists etc....or more of akin to philosophy than religion.

    Bottom line...Atheism is NOT a religion. Never has been nor will it be...unless I decide on starting an "Atheist Church" so I can be a tax free entity like Scientology.
    Unadulterated absence of belief in a god is atheism. Do we need to pull the dictionary back out? You don't have to believe in any god to be a member of or practice a deistic religion.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Its like saying bald is a hair style.
    Excellent analogy.

    Of course, bald is a hair style, at least when it is intentional.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Lack of belief in any god at all is deism.
    No it's not. Deism is the rejection of religious authority and temporal associations such as miracles, revelations and the like. Lack of belief in a god is atheism.



    You seem to think that religion = believing in a god. That's simply not true. Belief in a god and religion are not the same thing.
    No, religion is a system of belief in the divine. Atheism is a single belief in the lack of deities.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Do we need to pull the dictionary back out? You don't have to believe in any god to be a member of or practice a deistic religion.
    Surely you realise the root of the word deism is the same as the root of the word deity? Yet you claim they're opposite concepts. I think we do need to pull the dictionary back out.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    If they say that God does not exist, that is an ignorant as saying that God does exist since neither one knows, which is why being an agnostic is the only rational choice.

    They can of course say that they believe that God does not exist. That is the same as saying that he does. Both are subjective.
    I believe that Superman doesn't exist. I believe that the tooth-fairy doesn't exist. I believe that Freddy Kruger doesn't exist. I believe that Yoda doesn't exist. I believe that the crazy monster in space yhwh doesn't exist. None of these are my religion. I can't prove that none of them exist, but it's still not a religion. They are so ridiculous on their face that it would be childish to believe in them.

    I'm willing to believe that any of them exist, if only someone can give an even remotely logical and evidence based argument as to their existence, but, in the lack of either logic or evidence, I believe that none of them exist. None of that is a religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    1. giant isopods probably don't exist but I haven't researched them so I am not sure what an isopod is (as an aside: I am specifically not Googling isopod
    to see what you mean here. And biology is a mystery to me; I never study it, have never studied it.

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    but I can theorize as a good scientist.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Lack of belief in any god at all is deism.
    Deism is a watchmaker God, God set in motion things and then left. That's not the same thing as lack of belief in any God. A deist believes in a God, it's just not clear what that God is.

    It's called atheism, not adeism. There is no god required for it to be a religion. See Buddhism for an example.
    Amoral is the absence of morals. It is not the rejection of morals. Buddhism has supernatural beings that Buddhists pray to. What supernatural beings and beliefs exist in Atheism?

    You seem to think that religion = believing in a god. That's simply not true. Belief in a god and religion are not the same thing.
    If we go with your measure, any set of beliefs or lack of beliefs or rejection of beliefs can be a religion. Don't confusing religion with philosophy.

    Wearing orange socks on Wednesdays is a religion under the criteria you set. Your definition devalues the word "religion" to the point where absurd things become religions. When you have to devalue a word to the point of extreme absurdity to finally include atheism, you know you aren't acting in good faith or rationally.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Yes. Especially when Buddhists pray to them for help.
    Nah.

    So? Taoism has divination rituals. Don't play the "true Taoist" fallacy here.
    And some don't. Are they nonreligious, then?

    How is lack of belief a belief? Is being bald a type of hair color? C'mon. Stop being ridiculous.
    Do you believe there is no god?

    Definition of BELIEF
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    : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing

    Atheism is not deities do not exist, Atheism is a fundamental lack of belief in deities at all.
    Do you believe that?

    Not an atheist.
    Did I ask that?
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