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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Ahem. We've all been had. This thread is just a set-up for his next poll:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-atheists.html

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Ahem. We've all been had. This thread is just a set-up for his next poll:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-atheists.html
    Only if they've also had an abortion, voted for Obama twice, and dislike Sarah Palin.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I agree insofar as there are anti-religious zealots (which is pretty ironic, as this is a behavior usually attributed to religious people). But most atheists I know don't bother attacking believers and don't care.

    Still atheism is not a religion, even in case of anti-religious zealots ... they may believe in all kind of different things and ideologies, and all they have in common is rejecting the belief in God.
    And most of the supposed "zealots" against religion are people like scientists who don't want demonstably false things taught in science classrooms, people whose rights are in danger because of religious dogma, or people who are genuinely suffering under the power of organized religion (and sometimes those who fight on their behalf).
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And most of the supposed "zealots" against religion are people like scientists who don't want demonstably false things taught in science classrooms, people whose rights are in danger because of religious dogma, or people who are genuinely suffering under the power of organized religion (and sometimes those who fight on their behalf).
    Naw, that's not the people I meant. I totally understand these sentiments, as religion should never be confused with science. And I perfectly understand how you can be inclined to develop anti-religious feelings when you're sourrounded by Evangelicals constantly forcing their ideas down the throats of everybody else.

    I mean the kind of people who, for example, keep posting Dawkins quotes and similar slogans on Facebook i.e., although they probably don't even have a single believer in their friends list, making the whole effort one big backslapping orgy of likeminded people. Who then even think they're somehow "critical" and "against the mainstream", although their thinking IS the mainstream in their environment, and not critical at all, as they don't even have basic knowledge about religion, and use the worst examples of religious people (such as bigoted Christian extremists or violent islamists) to paint all believers of all kind of religions with that same brush.

    In my environment in Berlin, being atheist is about as original as being Jewish is in Israel. In my elementary school, the two or three pupils out of 80 in my year who claimed to believe in God were ridiculed like the kids who still believed in Santa Claus. When I joined a religion a couple of years ago, I met an amazing and very surprising surge of rejection and attacks from some people in my environment -- even from people who keep attacking religion for its alleged "intolerance" and "small-mindedness". And that although my religion even explicitly condemns zealousness, active proselytism or claims in contradiction to science.

    THAT is the kind of people I mean.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And most of the supposed "zealots" against religion are people like scientists who don't want demonstably false things taught in science classrooms, people whose rights are in danger because of religious dogma, or people who are genuinely suffering under the power of organized religion (and sometimes those who fight on their behalf).
    Actually, I've found that the biggest zealots against religion tend to be middle to upper class straight white males who are either in college or recently graduated from college and think that their atheism makes them far more intellectually interesting than it actually does. They certainly aren't scientists or people who are "genuinely suffering" under organized religion.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

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    Is atheism a religion
    yes.Religion does not need to involve the belief of a supreme or divine being. If it involves a group of people who prescribe to a certain set of beliefs and generally live their lives based on those beliefs then it is a religion. For example a group of man made global warming fairy tale believers believe that people are causing the world to warm.So as a result of that man made global warming fairy tale belief they recycle, they buy recycled products, they sort their trash, they buy hybrid cars, they may even try to make their homes green and energy efficient, they push for laws that reflect their man made global warming fairy tale beliefs and they preach their man made global warming fairy tale beliefs on the internet and tv shows.



    Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com

    a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
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    a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
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    the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
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    the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
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    the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
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    something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
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    religions, Archaic . religious rites.
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    Archaic . strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    yes.Religion does not need to involve the belief of a supreme or divine being. If it involves a group of people who prescribe to a certain set of beliefs and generally live their lives based on those beliefs then it is a religion.
    So how do atheists live their lives that's different to anyone else? Or specific to atheism?
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Too true. I personally don't think that atheism is a religion. But you might think it would be if you saw the statements some "zealots" against religion would make. I remember I was in a Walmart with my friend near our college when another person in the aisle sneezed. Being the polite person that he is, my friend said "God, bless you." to which the guy yelled, "I'm an atheist! I hate it when people try to force their religious beliefs on me!"

    It seems silly but, some people are very adamant about their assertion. One could argue that atheists are more adamant about atheism than the religious are about religion.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Xsnake1 View Post
    Is atheism a religion
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    Do you have any particular argument for why it would be a religion?

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    No, by pretty much every definition of religion it isn't. I don't understand why this is something that a lot of people feel the need to argue for.
    I do understand, I think.

    The answer is in the 20th century history. The "atheistic" totalitarian regimes, while murderously hostile to established religions, had fostered the atmosphere of irrational faith and quasi-religious ritualism. Sometimes copying the churchy stuff almost exactly. (Have you seen those Baby Lenin/Baby Jesus badges and statues?).

    Nobody who has actually witnessed the spectacle of a Civilian Parade on the Red Square (the throngs of zombies marching under nonsensical slogans, to be greeted by the high priests perched on a Babylonian ziggurat of a tomb of the (officially Undead) Ultimate Prophet and Messiah) - nobody who actually did see that (I did, as a kid) will be able to shake the impression that these "atheists" were in reality just another weird religious cult, hell-bent on destroying all competition.

    And hey, if the choice is between them and the old-style competition - baptize me all over again.

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