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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Its like saying bald is a hair style.
    I think that works okay actually, like black being a color. And I like bald women a lot. Oh wait, you meant hair on their heads. I get it now.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    The few who call Atheism a religion...meh.

    And for those who believe atheism is "a lack of belief"...meh.

    Atheism "is the total absences of belief in a supernatural deity of any type, form or shape". Gods of any type do not compute in the minds of an atheist. There is nothing to ponder or consider regarding the existence of a god.

    The big play by those who insist that atheism is a religion use the word "BELIEF" as the sum of their argument.

    The elements that define a "Religion" is way more complex that just the word "belief". There are doctrines, ceremonies, calls to worship, etc...in religions.

    For those who BELIEVE atheism is a religion...where's the guiding doctrine that define atheism used for the purpose of teaching their followers? Where do they go to practice their religion? Who do they owe their allegiance to? I challenge anyone to post "ATHEIST SCRIPTURES"!

    For those claiming atheism is a religion. I am claiming that their expressing that they believe atheism is a religion is an out and out act of trolling/baiting/flaming.

    Thank you very much...

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Who do they call for the tax exemption? And what do you put on a tombstone, this:
    1: the IRS, just like everyone else, duh

    2: probably a quote from Carel Segan.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    1: the IRS, just like everyone else, duh

    2: probably a quote from Carel Segan.
    Carl Sagan?

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    The elements that define a "Religion" is way more complex that just the word "belief". There are doctrines, ceremonies, calls to worship, etc...in religions.
    There are many religions which do not worship any god. Like Buddhism. These religions are deistic, not theistic.

    Lack of belief in a god means atheism is a deistic religion.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Atheism meets 2 and 3 of M-W definitions and 1, 2, and 3 of dictionary.com's definitions.

    Definitions that define the word with the word are useless. You're looking up what a word means. Why would you define that word with itself? Makes No Sense.

    It's like defining particle as such:

    Particle:
    Noun,
    A small localized particle to which can be ascribed several physical or chemical particle properties such as volume or mass

    Useless.


    Unfortunately, the definition is pretty clear. You do believe something even though you will never admit this. YOu don't admit it for other psychological reasons but if you can't accept definitions by Noah Webster and the Merriams.....well then do what you have to.

    This is saying that bald is a type of hair color. Does that make any sense?
    This is a false equivalent argument and this analogy doesn't make sense for the point you are trying to make. Reason 1 as to why: Baldness and hair color can't be equated as even bald people have a hair color. Whether a person is bald because they shave or their hair wont grown anymore, at one time that bald person grew hair and it had a color. Therefore even if no hair shows, that person has a hair color. Reason 2, atheism isn't the lack of hair. Again, atheism is a belief. You are holding an opinion about a Thing. Therefore, atheism is picking a color, lets say Blue, and then saying Blue isn't a color.

    Another analogy may be that black, the absence of absorption of all color wavelengths, isn't a color. But it is clearly is a color too. Atheism is just the belief in a negate. Maybe you need to see other people who believe in a negative position. Well, physics has a theory that nothing can travel faster than light. Some physicist believe that nothing can travel faster than light. This theory is unproven as of yet but it is stilled theorized and is accepted in relativity theory. It is a theorized negative position held by people. This idea within physics is a belief because it is an opinion/truth about a thing held by people. It meets the definitions which you quoted.

    You are redefining Atheism. Atheism is once again, a lack of belief in deities. Whether or not someone moves past that into active denial is something else. You are trying to cast what is the core of atheism as a religion in the same way that saying bald is a type of hair color.
    I am not redefining anything. I directly quoted both sites.



    This is very, very, very wrong. Do you have a belief on everything that exists? What's your belief on a special type of giant isopod that only lives in a small area of the waters off the Antarctic? Had no idea what those were? Congratulation, you had a lack of belief.
    Actually yes. When you think of anything, you create beliefs. This is a fact. When I ready your post about giant isopods, I actually formed a couple of beliefs at the same time: 1. giant isopods probably don't exist but I haven't researched them so I am not sure what an isopod is (as an aside: I am specifically not Googling isopod to see what you mean here. And biology is a mystery to me; I never study it, have never studied it. I pretty much dislike all the animal TV as well.); 2. the definition of a small area in the antarctic may be as large as several square miles given that the antarctic is several thousand square miles; 3. as "special type" may mean here several things, so I came to the belief that you don't define examples well if I am honest. And that is just three. The position you don't have in atheism but are describing as a lack (and I have to be specifically vague here so this is going to come across as strange) is if you don't believe in something you have never heard of. The problem is when you hear it you start to create beliefs about the new thing you just heard about. Since you have heard about God and rejected him/her/it, atheism isn't a lack. it just a belief in the negative.

    The term belief is actually quite vague and because of this vagueness, I am quite surprised when atheists get up in arms about their position being a belief. If you think of anything and internalize that position then you believe it. This can be about anything. You don't believe pink elephants exist. That's a belief. You think that Audi's are cool. That's a belief. You just heard about Hell's Kitchen. That generates beliefs. The term belief, again, is worthless in and of itself. To paraphrase M-W so maybe you can think about the term better, a belief is just an internalized opinion that a person holds. I don't really understand why atheists are against the term.....but I can theorize as a good scientist.

    When atheists do get up in arms about the term "belief", it just shows them to be irrational by rejecting a vague term that does apply to them. They are rejecting this term simply because the term also applies to their direct counter position and is used by direct counterpeople quite frequently. Athiests reject the term because they don't want to be associated with their opponents at any time. No hard evidence here, but it is a testable theory. I would bet it is right because atheists are people and are generally irrational as all people are. But again, just a theory

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    I think that works okay actually, like black being a color. And I like bald women a lot. Oh wait, you meant hair on their heads. I get it now.
    The Brazilian is a hair style also

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The Brazilian is a hair style also
    Well there we go. Bald is the new atheist. Think of the marketing possibilities, Go down for no God.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Well there we go. Bald is the new atheist. Think of the marketing possibilities, Go down for no God.
    Buddhism seems to be doing very well, no god required.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    A lack of belief is not a belief. Atheism is not a religion or a belief.
    they believe God doesn't exist, no?

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