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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    There's not much point in replying to this at length. You keep asserting it's religion despite proof to the contrary.
    You didn't 'prove' anything. It's kinda shocking how you think you did, though.

    You are obviously not very versed in philosophy otherwise you would see the obvious holes in your arguments.
    lol

    You need to learn the difference between religion, philosophy, and epistemology. Your arguments are mostly illogical. A single strong belief is not the basis of religion. You haven't proven that atheism is religion other than your say so.
    And vice versa for you.

    Just imagine someone who has never been taught to worship a God. They would go about life not thinking about God, or anything related to divine hierarchy. You're telling me that that person would be religious? That doesn't make sense.
    If they didn't think about god, that'd be one thing. You, however, obviously are. However, if you were posting without any conscious thought whatsoever, that might explain things.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It doesn't? It doesn't say that life is just what we see and that's it?
    Atheism is merely a lack of belief in deities. It says nothing more than that. Your own definition says Atheism is not a religion.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Atheism is merely a lack of belief in deities. It says nothing more than that. Your own definition says Atheism is not a religion.
    It's not my definition. It's the dictionary's. And no, it doesn't.

    Unless we suggest that Taoism and Buddhism are likewise not religions.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It's not my definition. It's the dictionary's. And no, it doesn't.

    Unless we suggest that Taoism and Buddhism are likewise not religions.
    A Bodhisattva is effectively a deity.

    Taoism has reverence for immortals as well as practices divination, which implies that there are some form of God(s) out there.

    Atheism is merely a lack of belief in deities.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    A Bodhisattva is effectively a deity.
    No.

    Taoism has reverence for immortals as well as practices divination, which implies that there are some form of God(s) out there.
    Some. Not all.

    Atheism is merely a lack of belief in deities.
    Which itself is a belief.

    Want to try again?
    Try what? Does it upset you to think of yourself as religious?
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No.
    Yes. Especially when Buddhists pray to them for help.

    Some. Not all.
    So? Taoism has divination rituals. Don't play the "true Taoist" fallacy here.

    Which itself is a belief.
    How is lack of belief a belief? Is being bald a type of hair color? C'mon. Stop being ridiculous.

    Definition of BELIEF
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    : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing

    Atheism is not deities do not exist, Atheism is a fundamental lack of belief in deities at all.

    Try what? Does it upset you to think of yourself as religious?
    Not an atheist.

    Try again.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't know, I'm not the one who called over half the world's population "delusional," as if you know better than they do. That pretty much defines "arrogance."
    If they actually believe in things for which there is no objective evidence, then they are delusional. Of course, religiosity worldwide is falling at a tremendous rate and those people who actually take these beliefs seriously, as opposed to those who simply pay them lip service out of social concerns, are actually pretty small. It won't be too much longer before the actually religious are a tiny minority that can be safely ignored.

    There is no arrogance in the truth.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Bad analogy.
    Actually, it's a perfect analogy. The fact that you don't recognize it explains why you're so wrong all the time.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    A religion is a system of beliefs and a uniform moral, ethical and behavioural code. Atheism is simply not believing in one point of debate about the nature of the Universe. Atheists have a wide variety of moral, ethical and behavioural codes. There's no one "Atheist belief system."
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post

    Definition of BELIEF
    1
    : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing

    Atheism is not deities do not exist, Atheism is a fundamental lack of belief in deities at all.
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    be·lief [bih-leef] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.
    2.
    confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
    3.
    confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.
    4.
    a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.
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    be·lief noun \bə-ˈlēf\

    Definition of BELIEF

    1
    : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
    2
    : something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
    3
    : conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
    Atheism meets 2 and 3 of M-W definitions and 1, 2, and 3 of dictionary.com's definitions. Atheism is a belief, regardless of if it is a religion or not. The tenet/thing believed is "God's, God, your God doesn't exist." it is held by a group of people that has been categorized by society, "Atheists." The position that there is no proof of religion is the underlying opinion to support the over tenet.

    "Disbelieving" is kind of like "irregardless". We created the term to describe something but disbelief, as a term, is confusing the very people who created it. There is no such thing as a lack of belief. You can believe in a lack of something which is what atheists are doing. People can believe in negative positions. But atheism is not a lack of a belief at any point.

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