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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Holy ****, that's two posts in a row where I actually agree with Cephus. Tell me it ain't so.

    A = without
    Theos = Gods

    An atheist is a person without gods. It's really simple.
    As opposed to anti-theism, which is what you keep trying to claim is atheism. Do the Greek.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you are an atheist then you most likely believe in the theory of evolution, the big bag theory and any numerous theories not rooted in a belief of a deity. So you do believe something.
    ... Yes, and if those theories I "believe" in tomorrow were proven to be untrue due to more scientific research, I would instead opt to accept those new theories. If tomorrow a guy down the street asked you to believe he is Jesus, would you believe in him? You're cheapening the meaning of both religion and science when you try to pass one off as the other. Religion is continuous. It's rooted in tradition. Science is synonymous with a constant change in how we understand the world. We no longer believe "scientific" theories from 200 years ago. We don't even believe in Darwin's account of evolution. Science and knowledge of the world are expanding concepts. Meaning, they are never in any sense like religion. As religion can evolve from a philosophical perspective but it's can't run away from its pillars.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Well, you haven't outlined any belief structure that you claim exist. How does atheists absences of belief in a creator of the universe...compare to a religious discipline?
    Because atheists actively believe the universe has no 'creator'. That's a belief. A belief about the nature of the universe. Just...like a religion.

    Oh, the Odyssey is kind of a sequel created by Homer...but there are polytheist characters involved. And actually Homer didn't create his stories on paper, they were handed down over a couple of hundred years before they were actually penned on a document made from materials of the time. I suspect that like the bible for instance, the stories were reinvented over time.
    I know, I know, I had just typed "Yes, I agree" and then that jumped out at me. And regarding reinvented stories...yes, I agree.

    I don't think that I could be more clear on how atheists don't hold any form of religious doctrine built around an absence of belief in a creator or the meaning and purpose of humankind, which is used to perpetuate tenets over time. Scientific information is in constant flux. That's not the fundamental case with religions. However, we do know that translations have been way more the impetus for any changes in content and context, but the primary message is intended to remain constant.
    They hold a (strong?) belief about the nature of the universe. Just like religions do.

    I don't have a clue as to "what role humankind plays"???? I don't know any atheists they claim that they do. Humankind is a product of evolution. We can't attach our existence to an intended design, purpose or meaning. For there to be a "role" for humankind, there has to be an author who created the story for the role to be played out.
    Right. And that's a belief about the universe. Just like a religion.

    I don't get why that bothers people so much. I'm agnostic. I don't know and I don't really even care; I don't think it effects my life one way or another (outside of socio-political effects, of course, as mentioned). Is it a religion? Maybe. I don't know and I don't care. But if someone has very strong beliefs about the universe, how it was created, if an entity did so...well...that's a religion.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So religion isn't a belief about mankind's place in existence? Ooookay.
    Using that logic, GPS is a religion.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So religion isn't a belief about mankind's place in existence? Ooookay.
    I don't know how you arrived at that, but it sure isn't because of anything I said.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Because atheists actively believe the universe has no 'creator'. That's a belief. A belief about the nature of the universe. Just...like a religion.



    I know, I know, I had just typed "Yes, I agree" and then that jumped out at me. And regarding reinvented stories...yes, I agree.



    They hold a (strong?) belief about the nature of the universe. Just like religions do.



    Right. And that's a belief about the universe. Just like a religion.

    I don't get why that bothers people so much. I'm agnostic. I don't know and I don't really even care; I don't think it effects my life one way or another (outside of socio-political effects, of course, as mentioned). Is it a religion? Maybe. I don't know and I don't care. But if someone has very strong beliefs about the universe, how it was created, if an entity did so...well...that's a religion.
    Well, we'll have to end this with...we both disagree with each other's points. I don't know how to make it more clear.

    Having a belief...isn't a religion. There are very structured elements to religion that simply don't exist with having the absence of a belief in a omnipotent deity.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It doesn't? It doesn't say that life is just what we see and that's it?
    You may say that. All that atheists say is that they lack a belief in gods. Any other attributes you may wish to apply are superfluous.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color.

    It's interesting to note - everyone is born an atheist. Any tendency towards any religion is simply an accident of geography and happenstance.

    I've yet to observe any toddlers spontaneously becoming Hindu in a predominately Christian society.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Because atheists actively believe the universe has no 'creator'. That's a belief. A belief about the nature of the universe. Just...like a religion. ...
    Not having a belief is not the same as believing something not to be. How many times do you need to be told?

    Why do you use having a religion as an insult?
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Using that logic, GPS is a religion.
    If you just learned English and don't know that 'place' can be used figuratively, sure.
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