Is atheism a religion[W:711:831]

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

Mach said:
Apparently you aren't understanding. Logically, it must be one of them, neither is illogical.

It?

Surely you wish to remain logical?

I've been quite logically consistent throughout.

Belief requiring evidence.
Belief not requiring evidence.

Belief in red.
Belief in blue.
The colors aren't the issue. The belief is. Having it. I don't care why one has it, just that people admit that they do, indeed, have it.

A
not A

Logically one must be true. That you choose neither, evidences your fallacy. Please try again.

No, simply.

marduc · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
Ahhh, an internet blog! I must duck away in defeat!

When the topic is theism, atheism, and agnosticism, what you believe is entirely what the conversation hinges upon. Does this bother you? I don't care.

perhaps you should look at the content of what I quoted and what the words actually say and mean instead of fallaciously flailing at the source.

Would you care to explain how what you are doing is not equivocation?

Mach · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

Manc Skipper said:
Inasmuch as I believe I hold no belief in the supernatural. Your pointette is nonsensical.

You do hold beliefs about the supernatural though. You just, presumably, understand that by definition they do not refer to real things.

Which goes back to his definition of god and such. If god is defined as supernatural, outside of reality, and thus, by definition "not real", his question looking something like "Do you believe that in reality there exists the not-real"? Which doesn't need to appeal to reasoning for truth, it's a logical fact that if those premises are true, the not-real does not exist in reality. The reason that's important is because if it were necessary for you to use reasoned belief to state that as true, you'd be in the absurd position of having to show evidence for something that by definition can have NO EVIDENCE, since its "not real". That's the trick some people accidentally, or intentionally, like to play in this debate.

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

marduc said:
perhaps you should look at the content of what I quoted and what the words actually say and mean instead of fallaciously flailing at the source.

Because when the discussion is about the meaning of one word, the meaning of that one word is of some importance.

Would you care to explain how what you are doing is not equivocation?

By focusing on the idea of believing whether god exists or believing that he does not (or believing that you don't know)? Err...how about who would win that basketball game?

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

Mach said:
You do hold beliefs about the supernatural though.

I do.

You just, presumably, understand that by definition they do not refer to real things.

Arguably. Arguably not.

Which goes back to his definition of god and such. If god is defined as supernatural, outside of reality, and thus, by definition "not real", his question looking something like "Do you believe that in reality there exists the not-real"? Which doesn't need to appeal to reasoning for truth, it's a logical fact that if those premises are true, the not-real does not exist in reality. The reason that's important is because if it were necessary for you to use reasoned belief to state that as true, you'd be in the absurd position of having to show evidence for something that by definition can have NO EVIDENCE, since its "not real". That's the trick some people accidentally, or intentionally, like to play in this debate.

No. The question is whether you believe there's something outside of this reality. Or you believe you just don't know.

Gimmesometruth · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
Sympathy.

The act of sharing feelings....is a construct without proof? Really, this is your answer? What is this, ESL? A lack of English education?

Can you ever get to a point of accepting that all thoughts have intrinsic beliefs?

Thoughts are not individuals, they do not have the capacity to create imaginations in and of themselves.

Try again.

Can you ever get to that plane of understanding?

Um, no, because it is false....and I am surprised that you demand this of me when you still cannot come up with a word that accurately describes construct without proof.

There is your problem.

No, it is not my problem. I don't have beliefs. I operate on knowns and unknowns.

lol

Yes, that's the nature of the idea of consciousness.

Another wacky definition of yours.

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

Gimmesometruth said:
The act of sharing feelings....is a construct without proof? Really, this is your answer? What is this, ESL? A lack of English education?

I'm mocking your superfluous question by giving a random answer.

Thoughts are not individuals, they do not have the capacity to create imaginations in and of themselves.

That's very deep.

Try again.

But that wasn't.

Um, no, because it is false....and I am surprised that you demand this of me when you still cannot come up with a word that accurately describes construct without proof.

You realize I never tried, right? I never even bothered to even attempt to. I'm not trying to answer your question; I haven't given it a passing moment's thought.

No, it is not my problem. I don't have beliefs. I operate on knowns and unknowns.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Another wacky definition of yours.

Sure.

marduc · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
Because when the discussion is about the meaning of one word, the meaning of that one word is of some importance.

non sequitur to my statement you responded to aside; this is which is why nobody is falling for your attempt to muddy and blur the definitions of a word that has a wide variance in how it can be used, and why there have been numerous requests for clarification (which you refuse to do.)

OldWorldOrder said:
By focusing on the idea of believing whether god exists or believing that he does not (or believing that you don't know)? Err...how about who would win that basketball game?

I take that as a "no, I cannot explain how what I am doing is not equivocation."

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

marduc said:
non sequitur to my statement you responded to aside

Wrong.

this is which is why nobody is falling for your attempt to muddy and blur the definitions of a word that has a wide variance in how it can be used, and why there have been numerous requests for clarification (which you refuse to do.)

Stop. Everything in this discussion revolves around the word belief. Talking about the word "belief" isn't equivocation, no matter how much you wish it were. I understand you want that very badly. It's cool.

I take that as a "no, I cannot explain how what I am doing is not equivocation."

You were going to take it however you wanted to anyway. We call that a confirmation bias. Would you like a link to a blog talking about it?

Gimmesometruth · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
I'm mocking your superfluous question by giving a random answer.

Um, no, it is absolutely necessary for you to choose a word that describes construct without proof to differentiate it from construct with proof .....if you wanted the conversation, the debate, to move forward....but you choose to be flippant. I know you don't want the conversation to go forward.

That's very deep.

No, not really, it was OBVIOUS.

(try again) But that wasn't.

English issues arise again.

You realize I never tried, right? I never even bothered to even attempt to. I'm not trying to answer your question; I haven't given it a passing moment's thought.

LOL...your "sympathy" was an attempt, a failed one, but one none the less. You did think when you gave it, unless your Mom responded.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

sig worthy

Go for it, just keep it in context, if that is possible.

Sure.

Wow, an agreement.

marduc · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
Wrong.

Stop. Everything in this discussion revolves around the word belief. Talking about the word "belief" isn't equivocation, no matter how much you wish it were. I understand you want that very badly. It's cool.

You were going to take it however you wanted to anyway. We call that a confirmation bias. Would you like a link to a blog talking about it?

learn the definition of equivocation and get back to me, a good start is to actually read what I quoted and reply to the content of the words instead of another ad hom attack on the source.

Gimmesometruth · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
Everything in this discussion revolves around the word belief. Talking about the word "belief" isn't equivocation, no matter how much you wish it were.

the use of ambiguous language to conceal the truth or to avoid committing oneself; prevarication.

OMG...you have been using "belief" to mean constructs with...or without proof.....and you have the temerity to say it has not been used ambiguously?

Good grief.

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

Gimmesometruth said:
Um, no, it is absolutely necessary for you to choose a word that describes construct without proof

Holy ****. If you typed that with a straightface, you're on a roll today. No one could be that obtuse without joking about it. Wow.

Gimmesometruth said:
I don't have beliefs. I operate on knowns and unknowns.

On the other hand....maybe you really are that obtuse.

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

marduc said:
learn the definition of equivocation and get back to me, a good start is to actually read what I quoted and reply to the content of the words instead of another ad hom attack on the source.

Who doesn't know what equivocation means?

(other than you, apparently)

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

Gimmesometruth said:
the use of ambiguous language to conceal the truth or to avoid committing oneself; prevarication.

OMG...you have been using "belief" to mean constructs with...or without proof.....and you have the temerity to say it has not been used ambiguously?

Good grief.

Wow.

Tell me more about how you guys don't have a belief on the subject. This is fascinating.

Gimmesometruth · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
Holy ****. If you typed that with a straightface, you're on a roll today. No one could be that obtuse without joking about it. Wow. On the other hand....maybe you really are that obtuse.

You keep using terms that do not make sense. This ad hominum on my person that you refuse to elaborate upon does not match what I wrote. You even go so far as to remove it from the context, the exact same context I have used throughout. So how I have become "insensitive or slow to understand" is for you to show. It is ironic that you accuse me of this while you continue to refuse find a word that describes a construct without proof.....for 2 days now......while you claim to not be ambiguous in your language.

All talk, no walk.

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

Gimmesometruth said:
You keep using terms that do not make sense.

TO YOU.

Why do you believe you have some type of monopoly on these things?

You couldn't even figure out what the discussion was about until the last page ("Admitting such would undermine your argument" exhibiting that you don't even know what's being talked about). You said you "have no beliefs", as if someone could read that and not burst out laughing.

This is hilarious at this point. Are you a philosophy undergrad or something?

This ad hominum on my person that you refuse to elaborate upon does not match what I wrote. You even go so far as to remove it from the context, the exact same context I have used throughout. So how I have become "insensitive or slow to understand" is for you to show. It is ironic that you accuse me of this while you continue to refuse find a word that describes a construct without proof.....for 2 days now......while you claim to not be ambiguous in your language.

All talk, no walk.

I didn't even read this. Who could take you seriously? You complain about me assuming your thoughts when that's all you've done from the beginning.

Start again or don't bother continuing.

Gimmesometruth · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
Wow.

Tell me more about how you guys don't have a belief on the subject. This is fascinating.

You yourself stated that you don't have a belief in the supernatural.

What is so hard in not accepting belief when it comes to irrational, imaginary concepts?

What is so hard in accepting the defining of belief as a concept without proof?

What do you think you have gained here by being ambiguous in language and then claiming you have not been equivocating?

How many chances do you need to save your argument?

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

Gimmesometruth said:
You yourself stated that you don't have a belief in the supernatural.

I said I believe they don't exist.

What is so hard in not accepting belief when it comes to irrational, imaginary concepts?

If you think something is irrational and imaginary, you believe they don't exist. If you suggest otherwise...well...then we'd actually be talking about using language ambiguously.

What is so hard in accepting the defining of belief as a concept without proof?

It'd be easy to 'accept', but it'd be wrong.

What do you think you have gained here by being ambiguous in language and then claiming you have not been equivocating?

I haven't been ambiguous at all.

How many chances do you need to save your argument?

None. But you keep raging about things you have no belief in, which is funny.

obvious Child · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

cabse5 said:
No, not religious; A simile would be like equating religion and atheism with a plane and a helicopter; however, is a belief, is an ideology.

Huh? You just agreed with me and said I was wrong.

obvious Child · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
Exactly. A religious belief, no less.

No, he didn't. Read what he said.

Stop defining words as you see fit.

Your argument only works if you accept that rejecting Shiva is a religion.

obvious Child · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
I hold that religious belief, yes.

Seriously? You think that rejecting the existence of Shiva constitutes a religion?

Also, you didn't answer my question. You said a religious belief. I asked if you followed such a religion.

So, do you accept that rejecting the existence of Shiva is a religion?

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

obvious Child said:
No, he didn't. Read what he said.

No, he didn't, what? I didn't try to twist what he said, I added to it?

"No, he didn't" what?

Stop defining words as you see fit.

I should define them as you see fit? Maybe you can understand agreements if we do that? No matter what you write, it just means what you later wanted it to mean. Coooool.

Your argument only works if you accept that rejecting Shiva is a religion.

It's a religious belief.

OldWorldOrder · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

obvious Child said:
Seriously? You think that rejecting the existence of Shiva constitutes a religion?

It could. Depending on how vehement I was about it. Like, if I got into arguments on the internet about it...yeah, probably.

Also, you didn't answer my question. You said a religious belief. I asked if you followed such a religion.

Nah, not vehement enough.

So, do you accept that rejecting the existence of Shiva is a religion?

If you hold that belief to be so critical a religious belief that you feel the need to argue about it, yeah. If you consider it an important part of yourself- or at least your religious self. There ya go.

Now what?

obvious Child · Aug 22, 2013

Re: Is atheism a religion

OldWorldOrder said:
If you hold that belief to be so critical a religious belief that you feel the need to argue about it, yeah. If you consider it an important part of yourself- or at least your religious self. There ya go.

Now what?

OldWorldOrder said:
Having a religious belief and being vehement about it wouldn't make it a religion?

Isn't that all a religion is?

How odd.

You haven't answered the question.

Do you or do not not accept that rejecting the existence of Shiva is a religion?

Since you reject the existence of Shiva, do you accept this is your religion?

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