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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Atheist, agnostic, potato, tomato... I think that's a hair-splitting definition but whatever works for ya.
    Ehh, no, it isn't. This perception that atheists in general make a claim that no god exists is not and has never been the definition of atheism. In fact, there's an entirely different word for that. That belief persists because of wild characterization of atheists by religious people.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I think its more trying to make atheists look like hypocrites for having a religion, than it is saying that religion is bad.
    Yeah, except for the way they usually defend it.

    They defend it by aping the way atheists usually present their case against religion; no evidence. Of course, that's really silly when they're the ones making a claim, but that's beside the point.

    They are saying that having no evidence is bad (I'm using good/bad in a really generic "debate terminology" sense). That's the basis of their attack on atheism, once they've succeeded in mischaracterizing what it actually is.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Ehh, no, it isn't. This perception that atheists in general make a claim that no god exists is not and has never been the definition of atheism. In fact, there's an entirely different word for that. That belief persists because of wild characterization of atheists by religious people.

    Most of the atheists I've encountered are quite vigorous in proclaiming that no god exists, by which I mean actively and positively, so I consider the distinction more theoretical than pragmatic.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Ehh, no, it isn't. This perception that atheists in general make a claim that no god exists is not and has never been the definition of atheism.
    False.

    atheism

    1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
    2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

    Atheism | Define Atheism at Dictionary.com
    I always chuckle when I see atheists claim "belief that no god exists" is not a definition of atheism when all they have to do is go to the dictionary to find out that that is not true. For a group of people who are always on their high horses about evidence and not making false claims, you guys sure do seem to lack the latter and do the former often.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yeah, except for the way they usually defend it.

    They defend it by aping the way atheists usually present their case against religion; no evidence. Of course, that's really silly when they're the ones making a claim, but that's beside the point.

    They are saying that having no evidence is bad (I'm using good/bad in a really generic "debate terminology" sense). That's the basis of their attack on atheism, once they've succeeded in mischaracterizing what it actually is.
    Either way it's silly but I've seen it more often as attempting to prove atheists take things based on no evidence too. Not saying it's bad, but that everyone does it.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Most of the atheists I've encountered are quite vigorous in proclaiming that no god exists, by which I mean actively and positively, so I consider the distinction more theoretical than pragmatic.
    And yet statistically there are so few of them. I can't say I've met more than a couple, and I've lived in majority non-religious countries.

    My first inclination is to wonder if you were mis-interrpreting their argument. They may have argued against a god in particular (i.e. the Christian one). That's entirely possible to do, because Christianity sets forth a bunch of specific characteristics of that particular god, and many of them can be proven or disproven -- even just logically.

    It's entirely possible to disprove the existence of a particular god, at least in the specific way it's presented. It just isn't possible to disprove the entire concept of some kind of god existing.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yup. And I always find that really ironic.

    At its core, they're defending religious as something good. So... they try to label atheism as a "religion" in order to discredit it? But I thought religion was good.

    It makes me wonder if a lot of religious people know what shaky ground they're on when trying to tell an atheist they should believe.
    Agreed on the irony of attacking the (supposedly) faith based approach. The comparison in terms of dogmatism also falls short on the grounds that one party is not attempting to make a positive claim.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Atheist, agnostic, potato, tomato... I think that's a hair-splitting definition but whatever works for ya.
    Much like Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist...I think it is just hair splitting but whatever works for ya.

    There is a clear difference between atheists and agnostics, just as there are clear differences between ideologies and religions.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    No. Since there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere it cannot be called a religion. Not all beliefs are relgious beliefs. I believe I'll have another beer.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Most atheists don't believe that no god exists.

    They simply don't believe claims made by the religious, because there's no evidence for them.

    Rejecting someone else's positive claim is not a belief.
    It varies broadly, from there is no evidence for a god so it's not worth discussing, to there is no god, period.
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