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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    re·li·gion [ri-lij-uhn]
    noun
    1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
    2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
    3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
    4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
    5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.


    Nope didnt see disbelief in there at all. The key aspect to a religion is that its a collective belief system. That is why Buddhism is a listed as a religion, because its a set of beliefs generally believed by a collective.

    But honestly their could be a Atheist religion. That is if a collective adhered to a belief system. But then that would make them fake atheists. So in reality it is impossible for a atheism to be a religion since it would stop being atheism when it became a religion.

    But the people claiming that atheism is a religion do so to against a secular government. Its a tactic that asserts that atheism/secularism is a religion so that they can install their own religion (Christianity) into the Government despite the Constitution. So they figured that by listing atheism/secularism they will be one step closer to making everyone good little Christians. And its to the gallows for atheism/secularism.

    Of course they will deny all of that severely, but then why must they do what they are doing in such a underhanded dishonest fashion?


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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why is picking none the logical option? There is no evidence for the lack of a god anymore than there is evidence for the existence of a god.

    If you want to get technical about it, the only logical option is to say that we don't know whether God exists.

    Something I'm perfectly willing to do, because that's the conclusion the facts support.
    Logic lol. You said the equivalent of 'there is no evidence of nothing, just like there is no evidence of a god'


    But you are correct that the conclusion should be that no god exists, in fact that is the default position. (I think I heard that somewhere before?)

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelplate View Post
    There will never be proof that one is real. Until the day we die that is, and as the old saying goes....dead men tell no tales.

    I am a believer....you, apparently are not. You are well within your rights not to believe as I am to be a believer. I won't try to change your mind and get you to convert to Christianity. Do Christians the same courtesy.

    However, I do understand the angst that atheists have towards religion....look at the Middle East, look at Fred Phelps and his Westboro Cronies.....look at the judgmentalism and the attempts to squeeze as much of the Christian Doctrine as they can into our governmental laws.

    That's not Christianity....God gave us free will to choose to accept him or not. I respect that. Others don't.


    You said that you wont try to convert anyone, yet you insisted that you will be able to tell after you die. Talking about something that you couldnt possibly know as if it were known fact. Its a passive form of preaching. You offered a concept that its possible not to die. The hope is that the observer will contemplate the concept of immortality. The established belief is that immortality can only be obtained through the belief in a god. So then 1 + 1 = 2 and there you have it you actually created a subtle way to offer a conversation. At least to those willing to listen. The technique is very old and well established. ANd with that establishment then one doesnt need to say a lot because most people have heard the story of the bible many times.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You said that you wont try to convert anyone, yet you insisted that you will be able to tell after you die. Talking about something that you couldnt possibly know as if it were known fact. Its a passive form of preaching. You offered a concept that its possible not to die. The hope is that the observer will contemplate the concept of immortality. The established belief is that immortality can only be obtained through the belief in a god. So then 1 + 1 = 2 and there you have it you actually created a subtle way to offer a conversation. At least to those willing to listen. The technique is very old and well established. ANd with that establishment then one doesnt need to say a lot because most people have heard the story of the bible many times.
    Really? That's what you got out of my post? That I'm subtly and sneakily trying to convert you by acknowledging your right to NOT believe? Gimme a break.

    The truth is....when we die, which we all do....regardless of religious affiliation(or lack thereof) we will know one way or another.

    If you're right....I will no longer exist....period. if I'm right, there is a soul and there is something "after" our bodies have died.

    That is not proselyting....I simply don't care whether you believe or not. That is your choice.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I'm not talking about concepts, I'm talking about simple propositions (many of which may make up a single concept). The proposition "God exists" is either true or false - and yes, just by knowing it you'll assign some level of belief.
    Why resort to something as silly and useless as a belief when you can attempt to gain actual knowledge and reach reasoned conclusions? A belief is just something you want to be true, not something that is true, or is even likely true.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Atheism is not a religion. It is a lack of belief in a supreme deity, that is all. Any other opinions and ideologies formed about the society in which we live are derived the same way any religious person's opinions and ideology is derived; by our personal opinion on various issues, personal morality on various issues, and our personal views of right and wrong.
    I think atheism also applies to lack of belief in any non-supreme deities, too. Not just the western god, but any other god one might care to suppose. It probably also applies to other supernatural creatures. Atheism would apply just as well to the fair folk. Our culture supposes the question of higher existence around the monotheistic supposition, but I don't think atheism is merely disagreement with that particular theistic assertion. I think it applies to all of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    There are certainly fanatical atheists who go way to far in their disbelief, but you could say the same for almost anything. Those people do not make atheism a religion.
    No one is fanatical about disbelief. The prominent and outspoken atheists you're probably thinking of are those who advocate strongly over the political ramifications of religion. They are often scientists and educators who are incensed about myth being substituted for science in science classrooms, or peace activists who are angry over the wars started over religion, or civil rights activists who do not like the way major religions are so often concerned with trampling the rights of women and oppressing gays. That has nothing to do with being "fanatical about disbelief". That's real causes and protecting people from the abuses of religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The whole burden of proof debate is tiresome. Haven't you atheists "evolved" beyond that yet? It's the same thing Richard Dawkins was spitting out 30 years ago.
    No, it's still quite relevant. The existence of a specific god as asserted by one religious person or another is not equally likely as that assertion being false. Ancient deities that no one believes in anymore are not equally likely to exist as not exist. Even moreso, deities that have been completely forgotten to history that literally no one believes in anymore. There is absolutely no reason to even consider the possibility that those gods exist and someone would have to make a very compelling case for anyone to take that possibility seriously. Why is the western god different merely for being popular right now? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. As much as theists like to squirm out of this, their claims are extraordinary and frankly absurd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelplate View Post
    There will never be proof that one is real. Until the day we die that is, and as the old saying goes....dead men tell no tales.
    That's silly. Any god could make itself widely known and provide all manner of proof if it wanted to. That none ever has is compelling proof that no such gods exist.

    God gave us free will to choose to accept him or not. I respect that. Others don't.
    Again, silly. If you think god is providing people with personal experiences and communicating, or is responsible for the creation of the bible or any other religious items, then god is attempting to influence that choice. The only god that doesn't circumvent free will is the god that we never hear about in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why is picking none the logical option? There is no evidence for the lack of a god anymore than there is evidence for the existence of a god.

    If you want to get technical about it, the only logical option is to say that we don't know whether God exists.

    Something I'm perfectly willing to do, because that's the conclusion the facts support.
    That's not even a little bit true. There is substantial evidence of a universe operating without intervention by a deity, of prayer having no effect on healing, of no gods revealing themselves, of having faith not actually leading to a person living a happier or more moral life... all compelling evidence that gods do not exist. The proposition of free will automatically precludes any gods, as shown above. That human beings have conjectured so many mutually exclusive views on divine existence shows that none of them can be true, since they are completely interchangeable but purport to be absolute truth. God propositions are astoundingly unlikely and patently ridiculous.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No one is fanatical about disbelief. The prominent and outspoken atheists you're probably thinking of are those who advocate strongly over the political ramifications of religion. They are often scientists and educators who are incensed about myth being substituted for science in science classrooms, or peace activists who are angry over the wars started over religion, or civil rights activists who do not like the way major religions are so often concerned with trampling the rights of women and oppressing gays. That has nothing to do with being "fanatical about disbelief". That's real causes and protecting people from the abuses of religion.
    There are atheists who go too far in the attacking of religion. The scientists and educators you are talking about are definitely not who I was referring to. It's not a large segment, but there are some who are truly fanatical.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    There are atheists who go too far in the attacking of religion. The scientists and educators you are talking about are definitely not who I was referring to. It's not a large segment, but there are some who are truly fanatical.
    Well, how about some examples? Honestly, there are only two assertions atheists can make. First, that religion is wrong. Second, that religion is harmful. How exactly does someone go too far in trying to promote truth or in protecting people from an institution that is hurting people? I mean, yes, one could start stripping people of their rights or using violence, but atheists don't do that or even advocate for it.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Well, how about some examples? Honestly, there are only two assertions atheists can make. First, that religion is wrong. Second, that religion is harmful. How exactly does someone go too far in trying to promote truth or in protecting people from an institution that is hurting people? I mean, yes, one could start stripping people of their rights or using violence, but atheists don't do that or even advocate for it.
    I' know one who does and he was who I was thinking of when I wrote that post. I imagine there are others out there. I wasn't saying it was some widespread problem but it definitely exists.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't think atheism is a religion, in the sense that part of what defines a religion is a belief in God. That's the simple answer.

    The longer, and perhaps better, answer would begin by trying to define what a god is. If a god is defined as something superhuman that creates and controls the universe, then isn't nature itself a god? Isn't the universe a god?

    As such, if you bow to the clockwork of nature (science), aren't you in a sense practicing a religion?

    However, like I said, that's a bit heady, and knowing how the word is commonly used, atheism is NOT a religion because you don't believe in God. Simple.

    Now, that said, it IS a belief system, because "negative" beliefs simply don't exist. It's the pink elephant problem (try to not imagine a pink elephant, and you immediately imagine a pink elephant).

    It's just one of those things about the human mind... we can't think in negatives.

    Now, you might be able to convince me that the abstract concept of "atheism" can deal with this gray area, but you'll never convince me that atheists, being human beings, are devoid of any beliefs on the subject of the supernatural.
    Typically, deities are defined as "supernatural," not "superhuman." All kinds of things are "superhuman." An elephant is "superhuman" in regards to strength.

    You still don't understand what disbelief is, dude.

    Disbelieve is not a negative belief. It is a LACK of belief.

    Right now, I am sure you LACK belief in purple ants from Mars, because you have never heard of any such thing. You cannot tell me for certain they do not exist, but it would be silly to believe they do.

    That is my stance of deities.

    Do you get it?

    Atheists might believe in all kinds of things, or they might not. The one thing none of them believe in is a deities. We are not some kind of homogenous voting block. "Atheist" only describes one single aspect of all the millions of aspects of philosophy.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelplate View Post
    Really? That's what you got out of my post? That I'm subtly and sneakily trying to convert you by acknowledging your right to NOT believe? Gimme a break.

    The truth is....when we die, which we all do....regardless of religious affiliation(or lack thereof) we will know one way or another.

    If you're right....I will no longer exist....period. if I'm right, there is a soul and there is something "after" our bodies have died.

    That is not proselyting....I simply don't care whether you believe or not. That is your choice.
    You would need the ability to observe to be able to recognize proof. So when you offered a final solution after one dies as proof, it could only be proof if it were observed. Dead people cannot observe anything. ANd since the dead cannot make observations then you were entirely offering that the only way that you could think of that offered proof of a afterlife is by assuming that their is a afterlife where events can be observed. Its a circular argument and meaningless.

    It is better to analyse what we can while alive and are able to observe. ANd indeed we can do believe whatever we want, but if strong evidence shows that our beliefs are mistaken then it is not rational to continue believing absurdity. I assert that it isnt rational to claim that something can be alive while it is dead. Its true the dead cannot share anything, we know this because the dead lack any ability to do the things that would allow the dead to share something. Essentially the dead are just lifeless matter no more capable of doing any more than a pile of soil. Of course you can believe that there are such thing as souls that go off to a mystical imagined place but that is just imagination and nothing more. We can observe the matter that used to be a human, and observe every state of decay that it goes through. That is reality, the after life isnt reality it is something that humans made up to hide their fear of death.

    You can accept that or not its your choice. The difference between you and I is that my claim is backed by evidence yours isnt in any stretch of imagination backed by any evidence. Evidence is relevant among thinking beings. If evidence wasnt relevant then we could just make up any damn thing that we want and tell big yarns about it. Sure you can think what personal thoughts that you want but when those those are presented in a conversation then they need to have relevance. ANd in this exchange between us the relevance is that my claim offers evidence and your offers none.

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