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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    As a atheist, "I believe" that science will ultimately prove that there is no supreme being(s) that created this universe or any other, should any others exist.

    In other words, it's not a matter of "if" science can prove there's no god, but "when" science proves it..

    I believe the exact same thing about the existence of God.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    It's interesting how converasations about atheism on here always tend to devolve into whether atheism is a lack of belief in gods or a positive belief in no gods. Also whether or not agnosticism means that someone doesn't know if god exists or if they believe that it can't be known if god exists. Both terms are used each way enough they're probably borg correct. Most dictionaries carry both definitions. It's annoying these debates always turn into this.
    It's because so many theists are so desperately dishonest, they feel they need to discredit atheism because, let's be honest, their own beliefs are laughably unjustifiable.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I don't think atheism can be called "a lack of belief." Atheists are strong believers in a list of things including:

    - There is no intelligent creator
    - In some cases, people of faith should have limited rights with respect to speech, participation in government and the rearing of their children
    - Conclusive views on the random nature of origin of life
    There is a difference between conclusively disproving a specific creation myth, and believing that there cannot be any alternative one that might fit with our evidence.

    The only thing most atheists advocate for is equal treatment. It isn't discrimination to veto attempts by the religious to enact theocratic laws and public schools.

    Science and atheism have nothing to do with each other. One can be an atheist without any knowledge is science whatsoever.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    There is a difference between conclusively disproving a specific creation myth, and believing that there cannot be any alternative one that might fit with our evidence.

    The only thing most atheists advocate for is equal treatment. It isn't discrimination to veto attempts by the religious to enact theocratic laws and public schools.

    Science and atheism have nothing to do with each other. One can be an atheist without any knowledge is science whatsoever.
    Yup, and you can be a scientist without being an atheist, although the overwhelming majority of scientists are non-religious. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Atheism is not a religion. It rejects such a thing as a higher power. If anything they are their own god. A monument to them that would best describe who they are would be a mirror. However someone earlier made the point that some atheists like to act like it's a religion. And I agree with that statement. They have their own groups or should I state "congregations" who have become quite politically active. Just recently in Florida a group of atheists erected their first monument next to another of the Ten Commandments on public property. They chose a granite bench for their design.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/05/us...bols.html?_r=0
    I don't have a problem with that at all. I'm just waiting for the Buddhists to drop off a giant wood Buddah next to the atheist bench which is located next to the monument that is inscribed with the Ten Commandments. Or the waited arrival of the Hindus to bring in a concrete swastika a symbol within their religion connoting general auspiciousness like purity of soul, truth, and stability or, alternatively, Surya, the sun god. The swastika may not go over very well but they have many more symbols like the Lotus flower that represents aspects of their faith.

    Look ....instead of focusing on one particular religious belief or non belief, shouldn't all be rejoicing in the fact that we live in a country that by design is not to favor one religion over another? And if the Constitution was being honored, while the federal government has no right to favor one over another, states at a local levels should indeed have the right by majority to practice whatever religion is dominant in that area as they please without the Political Correctness Police raining on their parade. You know the last time I checked all State Constitutions recognized a Supreme Being. Enough said.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    The only way to have an "absence of belief" with respect to the existence of god is to have never before heard the concept. Once you're aware of and understand the proposition "God exists" - you either believe it or you don't.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The only way to have an "absence of belief" with respect to the existence of god is to have never before heard the concept. Once you're aware of and understand the proposition "God exists" - you either believe it or you don't.
    But there's a difference between not believing in a god and believing a god doesn't exist. I don't believe in a guy named David Smith in Little Rock, Arkansas. That doesn't mean I believe there is no David Smith, I just haven't been convinced that there is.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    It is a lack of belief, it cannot by definition be a religion. Now when you get into the more radical "humanists" yes it could be.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The only way to have an "absence of belief" with respect to the existence of god is to have never before heard the concept. Once you're aware of and understand the proposition "God exists" - you either believe it or you don't.
    Not true. Just because you understand a concept doesn't mean you either have to have a positive belief that exists or a positive belief that it doesn't exist.
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    Re: Is atheism a religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The only way to have an "absence of belief" with respect to the existence of god is to have never before heard the concept. Once you're aware of and understand the proposition "God exists" - you either believe it or you don't.
    In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson made reference to a Supreme being 4 times.
    - Nature’s God

    - Creator

    -The Supreme Judge of the World

    -Divine Providence

    Note none of them reference Jesus.

    The Constitution does not make mention of God yet it is designed to protect whatever belief you hold.

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