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    When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into families?

    I meant to post "family structures", as even the most dispossessed homosexual has a biological family, but I reached the cut-off point.

    My question is pretty simple: how long will it take until socially conservative mass movements, no longer strictly bound to the Baby Boomer literalist evangelism that has defined them for four decades, accept gay marriage (and a gay family unit that exists in precisely mirrored fashion to the heterosexual family) as part of their rhetoric?

    This isn't merely an unprincipled concession to political reality, but would allow them to continue to disparage promiscuous "fast-lane gays" and to preserve the form of monogamy as the basis for collectively-sanctioned relationships.

    (I meant to include a poll with this post but apparently cannot do so from this phone.)

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I meant to post "family structures", as even the most dispossessed homosexual has a biological family, but I reached the cut-off point.

    My question is pretty simple: how long will it take until socially conservative mass movements, no longer strictly bound to the Baby Boomer literalist evangelism that has defined them for four decades, accept gay marriage (and a gay family unit that exists in precisely mirrored fashion to the heterosexual family) as part of their rhetoric?

    This isn't merely an unprincipled concession to political reality, but would allow them to continue to disparage promiscuous "fast-lane gays" and to preserve the form of monogamy as the basis for collectively-sanctioned relationships.

    (I meant to include a poll with this post but apparently cannot do so from this phone.)
    So, what you are really asking is how long is it until we have total anarchy? How long until nobody gives a damn about anything at all anymore?
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    So, what you are really asking is how long is it until we have total anarchy? How long until nobody gives a damn about anything at all anymore?
    No, that's not what he said. Not at all. So try addressing what he actually said.

    We could use an actual poll he btw.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    So, what you are really asking is how long is it until we have total anarchy? How long until nobody gives a damn about anything at all anymore?
    Unfortunately, the old gay liberationists/ActUP/queer politics folks of the 1970s through the 1990s have conceded defeat. All they want now is to get married and grow conservative. No anarchy to be had, alas.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that's not what he said. Not at all. So try addressing what he actually said.

    We could use an actual poll he btw.
    Its a silly question, why address what he actually says when he is only looking for a certain response and a certain type of respondent...?? I am not in either of those categories, so I am telling you what the reality of that means if that were to ever happen, whether you wanna hear it or not....

    We straight on all that Boo...uh, sorry, probably not the best way to ask that on this thread....ha ha ha haha
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I meant to post "family structures", as even the most dispossessed homosexual has a biological family, but I reached the cut-off point.

    My question is pretty simple: how long will it take until socially conservative mass movements, no longer strictly bound to the Baby Boomer literalist evangelism that has defined them for four decades, accept gay marriage (and a gay family unit that exists in precisely mirrored fashion to the heterosexual family) as part of their rhetoric?

    This isn't merely an unprincipled concession to political reality, but would allow them to continue to disparage promiscuous "fast-lane gays" and to preserve the form of monogamy as the basis for collectively-sanctioned relationships.

    (I meant to include a poll with this post but apparently cannot do so from this phone.)
    Your question takes liberty in presuming an inevitable certainty. Why? Further, what steps do you suggest be taken should social conservatives decide NOT to conform with this new "anything goes in the name of love" ideology? Further still and finally, do you feel it necessary to demand such acceptance and what steps would you be willing to take to ensure it?

    One more question, apologies for the fib, in demanding such acceptance do you not feel it an encroachment on their most fundamental liberty --their freedom of conscience, and would you seek to discriminate against them should they not loosen up to the ideas put forth which many will always find unacceptable?

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I meant to post "family structures", as even the most dispossessed homosexual has a biological family, but I reached the cut-off point.

    My question is pretty simple: how long will it take until socially conservative mass movements, no longer strictly bound to the Baby Boomer literalist evangelism that has defined them for four decades, accept gay marriage (and a gay family unit that exists in precisely mirrored fashion to the heterosexual family) as part of their rhetoric?

    This isn't merely an unprincipled concession to political reality, but would allow them to continue to disparage promiscuous "fast-lane gays" and to preserve the form of monogamy as the basis for collectively-sanctioned relationships.

    (I meant to include a poll with this post but apparently cannot do so from this phone.)
    Hmm - 'reorienting gays into families' is different than 'accepting that gay people marry / have kids' - one suggests that those who are gay are within the family . . . the other is accepting that people outside the family have a life which they oppose.

    To both: some will - some won't see gay members of a familiar as a 'complete part of the family' - there will never be 100% acceptance.

    They will never have it as 'part of the rhetoric' either. . . that's a strong change.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Guys, if your life's structure is so fragile that two dudes legally being able to leave each other property will destroy it, you have a serious chicken little complex.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Unfortunately, the old gay liberationists/ActUP/queer politics folks of the 1970s through the 1990s have conceded defeat. All they want now is to get married and grow conservative. No anarchy to be had, alas.
    Yeah, why don't you just take all that anarchy, all that "destroy the good in this world" angst to another planet...thinking maybe the seventh planet from the sun might just the ideal spot, the place to be for young gay anarchists...
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Guys, if your life's structure is so fragile that two dudes legally being able to leave each other property will destroy it, you have a serious chicken little complex.
    Heh - this make me wonder if it would matter when it comes to 'lesbians' as that's already more socially acceptable to many people.
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