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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is from your first source.

    You posted it and didn't actually comprehend it. Not me.
    Yes, but usufruct is ASSUMED for MARRIED couples upon decease of a partner. Which is (for the 5th time) not available to gay people as they can not get married in the first place. What that part of the statement says is that the extent of the usufruct can also be determined by the partner beforehand. Are you seriously not comprehending this?

    I just posted 2 different links which directly contradict your statement that a will is required in LA in order for one partner to have rights over another's property. The law already assumes that when 1 person dies, their spouse will get usufruct over the other's domain. Furthermore it states that a partner can determine usufruct beforehand.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, but usufruct is ASSUMED for MARRIED couples upon decease of a partner. Which is (for the 5th time) not available to gay people as they can not get married in the first place. What that part of the statement says is that the extent of the usufruct can also be determined by the partner beforehand. Are you seriously not comprehending this?
    No, it's not.

    Again, you posted it yourself:

    The decedent may grant a usufruct to the surviving spouse over all or part of his property, including the forced portion, and may grant the usufructurary the power to dispose of nonconsumables as provided in the law of usufruct.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Its not just gay marriage, its the blizzard like onslaught of such unreflected change to society...

    In my opinion humans can only withstand and adapt to so much change. With much of this change being counterproductive, the strain is greater....this desire to be anti all that has gone before and that has withstood the tests of time, well... I for one am glad I am getting older and hope the whole thing that is surely gonna collapse, does so after I go. I will fight it to the end as I have a debt of gratitude to those who can before and want to pay it forward for our posterity. I was given much having hit the lottery just by being born in this still great country... but the generation before and my generation have done great damage to this place and I feel sorry for those having to come up in the future very uncertain years...
    I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. There isn't any huge change involved in society to accept gay people as normal. It's a minor adjustment. Gay people have always existed, and official oppression against them has been neutralized. All that remains is that people let go of prejudices. Our country is great for this. I am not so bleak in my outlook of our notion's future. I think the best times are yet to come. All times are uncertain.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    When "social conservatives" actually start caring about strong families again.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, it's not.

    Again, you posted it yourself:

    Not my fault that you can't read your own information.
    Apdst, you jut got caught making things up and are now trying to weasel yourself out of it by purposely twisting the information to actually fit your already false statement:

    What is a Usufruct? Usufructs and Naked Ownership Under Louisiana Law

    A surviving spouse has a usufruct over any community property inherited by a deceased spouse’s descendants under Louisiana intestate law
    Here it is again explained by a Lousiana law firm:

    Your Louisiana Usufruct Rights Explained | Chris Kane's Louisiana Estate Planning Blog

    May 9, 2012

    Here in Louisiana, we have a unique form of property ownership known as a Usufruct. A usufruct is an ownership right in property that allows the owner to “use” and profit from the property, however a usufruct cannot determine what happens to property after termination of the usufruct right. Usufructs are seen most often between spouses when one spouse passes away. With a usufruct, the surviving spouse has the right to use the deceased spouses property for the remainder of their lives or until they get remarried depending on the circumstances. After the surviving spouse dies, the property subject to usufruct then passes automatically to individuals known as the “naked owners” (children of the deceased are most often the naked owners of property subject to usufruct).

    A usufruct can be left to a surviving spouse as a part of your will or it may be through intestacy if you pass away without a will.
    Again, this is NOT available to gay couples as they CAN'T GET MARRIED. Are you for real?
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. It is is not, as I enumerated forms of property which can't be passed down from one gay partner to another regardless of whether there is a will or not.
    Dude, go back and read your first post to me, you didn't say all forms of property, you said they could not leave behind property [ and they most certainly could leave behind property in a will, undeniable] ... so listen or read what you said, I responded to that. Can't you follow your own posts?



    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Okay there Eragon, listen - it's this simple. Tell me which part of society would change if gays were recognized as being legally married? Which part of our bureaucracy? If you can't, you're just making things up to fit an rabidly homophobic agenda.
    Get your head out of your butt, boy. Churches are already changing to accommodate this agenda. In Canada, where its legal, churches are stepping on eggshells preaching the gospel that its a sin, an abomination for man to lie with man. The Boy Scouts caved to the pressure, people in states where gay marriage is not even legal are being successfully sued if they decline to say, photograph the wedding [not legal] of a gay couple. You heterophobes are quite getting quite cheeky nowadays, not bright, just cheeky. Which is why we can face you with great disdain, a shame and stain on society.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    No, not anything. If everything to you is based on the relationship gay people have with their children, and that relationship being legitimized legally leads to anarchy, I fear you have jumped into the deep end.
    Listen, we already had this battle previously, you lost and could not handle it before, so not gonna rock your dainty little boat again for fear you would capsize and drown in a sea of puppy dog tears...
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. There isn't any huge change involved in society to accept gay people as normal. It's a minor adjustment. Gay people have always existed, and official oppression against them has been neutralized. All that remains is that people let go of prejudices. Our country is great for this. I am not so bleak in my outlook of our notion's future. I think the best times are yet to come. All times are uncertain.
    Gay people need to adjust to normal society, not the other way around. If you don't get just the efficiency of that, well...
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Unfortunately, the old gay liberationists/ActUP/queer politics folks of the 1970s through the 1990s have conceded defeat. All they want now is to get married and grow conservative. No anarchy to be had, alas.
    Back during the 70's all they wanted was for the sodemy laws to be abolished. That's all they wanted.

    BS, Give them an inch and they want the whole nine yards.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Listen, we already had this battle previously, you lost and could not handle it before, so not gonna rock your dainty little boat again for fear you would capsize and drown in a sea of puppy dog tears...
    Your weak ego aside, gay people doing what they've always done isn't a change. it may threaten your fragile world but it's not a change.

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