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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    Changing all of society would mean requiring all married couple to have wills, should they want to leave their possesions to their spouse.
    What is being proposed is not changing all of society, it is allowing more couples to be apart of society. I do appreciate your empathetic outllook though. I can only assume you are not Christian.
    No, your assumption is right, I am not Christian, I am of no religion... just a historian and political scientist. I don't have empathy for drug addicts either. Nor women who choose the wrong men to have children with, nor people who make no effort in school but do not graduate with any skills and want us to take care of them. I do not expect I will change society just for them to feel as if they fit in either, they need to make efforts to fit into society, or they can deal with it if not.

    Your other statement is false. One man one woman is the way our society has always been. It has worked for us up to this point rather well, we are prosperous, we have, until lately, been strong in spirit and allegiance to the great ideals of the founding of this country. You want that we experiment, that we risk it all so you can feel accepted by those who are similarly liberal on social issues. Sorry, I am stronger than that, won't be cowed by your little attempt nor by your obvious lack of sapience and good judgement.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I meant to post "family structures", as even the most dispossessed homosexual has a biological family, but I reached the cut-off point.

    My question is pretty simple: how long will it take until socially conservative mass movements, no longer strictly bound to the Baby Boomer literalist evangelism that has defined them for four decades, accept gay marriage (and a gay family unit that exists in precisely mirrored fashion to the heterosexual family) as part of their rhetoric?
    Hopefully never, but for sure never in my circles.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What you said isn't reality at all.

    And yes you're free to speak, no matter how ignorant the speaking is, and no one says otherwise. However, everyone is free to tell you just how wrong you are. It's how it works.
    How are they going to say I am wrong, or that my view of future reality is wrong...they are not prophets and neither are you. You lefties have brought so much misery to the world and you do not even know it... study your history man, study... ignorance is a word you bandy about, and yet your prove no knowledge of the past, you show no sapience, no understanding of the unintended consequences to your thoughtless actions as we go forward...
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, they don't. I've already had a parent die, in Louisiana, so I have a little more experience with it than you.
    Usufruct, Surviving Spouse (Louisiana) Law & Legal Definition

    Quote Originally Posted by Usufruct of Surviving Spouse Article 890, Louisiana Civil Code.

    If the deceased spouse is survived by descendants, the surviving spouse shall have a usufruct over the decedent’s share of the community property to the extent that the decedent has not disposed of it by testatement. This usufruct terminates when the surviving spouse dies or remarries, whichever occurs first.
    Quote Originally Posted by Usufruct to Surviving Spouse.Article 1499, Louisiana Civil Code.

    “The decedent may grant a usufruct to the surviving spouse over all or part of his property, including the forced portion, and may grant the usufructurary the power to dispose of nonconsumables as provided in the law of usufruct. The usufruct shall be for life unless expressly designated for a shorter period.”
    Again, this is a protection granted ONLY to married straight couples and NOT available to gay couples because they are barred from getting married.

    Conclusion: You once again prove you have absolutely no idea what it is you're talking about.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Usufruct, Surviving Spouse (Louisiana) Law & Legal Definition





    Again, this is a protection granted ONLY to married straight couples and NOT available to gay couples because they are barred from getting married.

    Conclusion: You once again prove you have absolutely no idea what it is you're talking about.
    You didn't even read what you posted. Did you?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    How are they going to say I am wrong, or that my view of future reality is wrong...they are not prophets and neither are you. You lefties have brought so much misery to the world and you do not even know it... study your history man, study... ignorance is a word you bandy about, and yet your prove no knowledge of the past, you show no sapience, no understanding of the unintended consequences to your thoughtless actions as we go forward...
    Same answer I gave someone else: I'm a reasonable and intelligent person. But predicting the future isn't what you did, and isn't what I'm replying to. You said A meant B, and factually it doesn't.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You didn't even read what you posted. Did you?
    Here it is in simple terms for you:

    What is a Usufruct? Usufructs and Naked Ownership Under Louisiana Law

    A surviving spouse has a usufruct over any community property inherited by a deceased spouse’s descendants under Louisiana intestate law;
    A deceased person’s surviving parents have a usufruct over any separate property of a deceased person who doesn’t have descendants when that property is inherited by the decedent’s siblings under Louisiana intestate law; and
    Parents of minor children have a usufruct over any property inherited by the child (but not over property received by lifetime gift).

    A usufructuary can use, possess, and administer the property, as well as collect the income, utility, profits, and other advantages produced from the property. When the usufruct ends, however, the surviving spouse will need to account to the naked owners for use of the assets.
    Again, this is ASSUMED BY THE STATE upon death, something which is NOT done for gay couples because under LA state law, can't get married - is a direct refutation of this statement:

    A will is still required to leave your spouse your belongings;
    Are you for real?
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    For some reason, I think the Government will continue to exist with gay marriage. I could be wrong though, and prohibition of gay marriage could be the only thing between us and Somalia. I somehow doubt it though.
    Its not just gay marriage, its the blizzard like onslaught of such unreflected change to society...

    In my opinion humans can only withstand and adapt to so much change. With much of this change being counterproductive, the strain is greater....this desire to be anti all that has gone before and that has withstood the tests of time, well... I for one am glad I am getting older and hope the whole thing that is surely gonna collapse, does so after I go. I will fight it to the end as I have a debt of gratitude to those who can before and want to pay it forward for our posterity. I was given much having hit the lottery just by being born in this still great country... but the generation before and my generation have done great damage to this place and I feel sorry for those having to come up in the future very uncertain years...
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Here it is in simple terms for you:

    What is a Usufruct? Usufructs and Naked Ownership Under Louisiana Law



    Again, this is ASSUMED BY THE STATE upon death, something which is NOT done for gay couples because under LA state law, can't get married - is a direct refutation of this statement:



    Are you for real?
    This is from your first source.

    “The decedent may grant a usufruct to the surviving spouse over all or part of his property, including the forced portion, and may grant the usufructurary the power to dispose of nonconsumables as provided in the law of usufruct.
    You posted it and didn't actually comprehend it. Not me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    So, what you are really asking is how long is it until we have total anarchy? How long until nobody gives a damn about anything at all anymore?
    No, not anything. If everything to you is based on the relationship gay people have with their children, and that relationship being legitimized legally leads to anarchy, I fear you have jumped into the deep end.

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