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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    My view is certainly not his reality nor, apparently, yours... you want change, the type of change history informs is not a good direction for humanity. This is a free country still, I am allowed and will speak my mind on such matters as I see fit and " you can do many things, including ignoring it."

    I did not misrepresent what he said, I interpreted to what I see it to mean, and what I think will be the future if what he wants comes about. Sorry, but too bad if you do not like it.

    I am clear on mine, you clear on yours?
    What you said isn't reality at all.

    And yes you're free to speak, no matter how ignorant the speaking is, and no one says otherwise. However, everyone is free to tell you just how wrong you are. It's how it works.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The premise of the OP was patronizing (although probably not inaccurate), but there was no call for force.
    I used "force" for lack of a better word. Perhaps, "push", would be better? Whatever word you prefer, it doesn't change the fact, that Libbos love to browbeat the crap out of anyone that doesn't think the same way they do.

    It goes to show just how out of touch Libbos are with mainstream America; you can't try and MAKE Americans do something and expect a perfect outcome. If anything, it will induce them to resist even harder.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, that is untrue. Property comes in more forms than a house you know. A gay person who's partner has died in an accident can't make a wrongful death claim. They can't draw the SS of that partner either. They also do not automatically inherit their partner's property. All things which straight couples do not need to write into a will in order for it to take effect.
    What I said was absolutely true, now you are bringing up a completely different scenario and I think you know it and knew it when you typed that.

    If you want the benefits of the tolerance we are willing to extend, blessings... if you want to foist upon us a system we know for sure that we do not want...well, you get what you get.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. We really don't. We just have to recognize their unions as equal to ours. You're going to have to come up with a lot of information in order to support the claim that recognizing a marriage will change the entire bureaucratic structure and a even more to make the claim that it will change society. How did biracial marriages change society? They didn't. How did inter-religious marriages change society? They didn't. "Gay marriage" won't change it either. It'll simply be one more recognized type of marriage.
    We do not have to do anything of the sort. I do not recognise them as equal, nor will they ever be, sorry. I am not going to lie, am not going to just bow to that whim either. The marriages you referenced were all between one man and one woman... you have no idea what your system that you say does no damage will do...not one iota of information but yet we are just to go ahead and do it because who, you? say its fine? It is screwing up kids minds right now, all this confusion you folk sew, all the misery so that a few can be content for a few moments... sorry, your gimme gimmee I want I want childishness of your political persuasion has to grow up someday.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When are the Libbos going to stop trying to force their beliefs on everyone else? Why not just shutup about it and let people come around on their own; the end result of that might be much more to your liking.
    I see that social conservatives in this thread are deliberately misrepresenting my position, which is: that it would be more profitable, both politically and programmatically, for social conservatives to emphasize a monogamous relationship structure for straights and gays alike, and to fight promiscuity by both, than to continue trying to exclude one from the family social form.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I already explained why they do have to be married. Straight couples that are married are expected to leave each other property so no will is required. Gay couples do not have the same protections if a partner suddenly dies.
    In Louisiana, no married couple--gay or straight--has that protection. A will is still required to leave your spouse your belongings; otherwise, it goes directly to your kids.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    So, what you are really asking is how long is it until we have total anarchy? How long until nobody gives a damn about anything at all anymore?
    For some reason, I think the Government will continue to exist with gay marriage. I could be wrong though, and prohibition of gay marriage could be the only thing between us and Somalia. I somehow doubt it though.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    What I said was absolutely true,
    No. It is is not, as I enumerated forms of property which can't be passed down from one gay partner to another regardless of whether there is a will or not.

    We do not have to do anything of the sort. I do not recognise them as equal, nor will they ever be, sorry. I am not going to lie, am not going to just bow to that whim either. The marriages you referenced were all between one man and one woman... you have no idea what your system that you say does no damage will do...not one iota of information but yet we are just to go ahead and do it because who, you? say its fine? It is screwing up kids minds right now, all this confusion you folk sew, all the misery so that a few can be content for a few moments... sorry, your gimme gimmee I want I want childishness of your political persuasion has to grow up someday.

    This is that day.
    Okay there Eragon, listen - it's this simple. Tell me which part of society would change if gays were recognized as being legally married? Which part of our bureaucracy? If you can't, you're just making things up to fit an rabidly homophobic agenda.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I see that social conservatives in this thread are deliberately misrepresenting my position, which is: that it would be more profitable, both politically and programmatically, for social conservatives to emphasize a monogamous relationship structure for straights and gays alike, and to fight promiscuity by both, than to continue trying to exclude one from the family social form.
    Well, I may or may not be a social Conservative, since I don't care-a-wit if gays get married. I also have gay members of my family and they are treated just like any other member of the family. My family being a tad dysfunctional means that they not get treated all that peachy, but it has nothing to do with being gay.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In Louisiana, no married couple--gay or straight--has that protection.
    That is entirely false. Read up on usufruct. If you die in Lousiana, your surviving spouse has rights to the house until they die. Furthermore, the state assumes that with married couples, the surviving spouse gets the house if there are no children. So in essence, gay couples that aren't married, and want to be, have to do more in other to get the same protections that the state assumes for straight couples.
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    Re: When will social conservatives reorient to focus on integrating gays into familie

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That is entirely false. Read up on usufruct. If you die in Lousiana, your surviving spouse has rights to the house until they die. Furthermore, the state assumes that with married couples, the surviving spouse gets the house if there are no children. So in essence, gay couples that aren't married, and want to be, have to do more in other to get the same protections that the state assumes for straight couples.
    No, they don't. I've already had a parent die, in Louisiana, so I have a little more experience with it than you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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