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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And how does that program help Detroit and its people?

    Could you wax eloquently for a few minutes about personal responsibility and accepting the consequences of your choices for living in a flood plain?

    Could you discuss the elements of accepting personal responsibility of living along the coast where destructive and deadly seasonal storms are merely par for the course?

    Could you pontificate about the duty to accept responsibility of living in a part of the nation where a fault exists in the earth and earthquakes are inevitable?

    Could you educate us about the duty to accept personal responsibility of living in a part of the country with precious little water which has to be expensively taken from other areas of the nation just so others can live in that climate?

    Could you inform us about the duty to accept personal responsibility for living in a tornado alley which you know darn well is subject to a high probability of damage on a somewhat regular basis?

    Please do illuminate the dark recesses of our minds on all these things connected with personal responsibility.
    Equating natural disasters with those caused by the negligence (or outright criminal actions) of elected morons is not a good analogy.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    So the solution is to place the burden on the shoulders of single mothers, who are working 2 and 3 jobs just to keep food on the table, and the children who are hungry.
    Let me be the fist the say, you would make a very unfit public servant.
    I would have to say that oftentimes, just like the voters in Detroit chose the wrong people to do the work of managing what was a great city at one time, that too often women are making similar choices about the men they have children with. Those are their decisions, once again not mine... I do feel sorry for the children, not so much for the mothers.

    That is somewhat off topic and calls for a whole different thread, tho.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Equating natural disasters with those caused by the negligence (or outright criminal actions) of elected morons is not a good analogy.
    How did city officials cause a 25% decline in population since 2010? Did they cause the 50% decline in manufacturing jobs since 2000?



    What they have experienced is a long term economic drought resulting in a collapse of the tax base. It is a man-made disaster.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I don't live in a flood plain, but if I chose to I would buy flood insurance, or accept the risk.

    I don't live on the coast, but if Idid, I would be sure my insurance would cover my losses.

    I don't live on a fault, but if I did I would get earthquake insurance, or plan to accept the possible losses.

    I would not choose to live where there was inadequate water for my needs, but if I did I would not ask people in wet area to mail me a couple of gallons each day.

    I did live in tornado alley for ba while. I had insurance.

    It is about personal decisions and the acceptance of the risk/rewards of those decisions.

    Seriously, if you want to help the people of Detroit, mail them a check each month. Just make sure the signature is yours, not mine or my grand kids.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Come on liberals. Ya'll need to get behind this in a big way.
    After decades of democratic rule, during which none of them had the foresight to see what was happening as the businesses and people withdrew, why should the federal government bail it out? It should fall to the DNC.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Every place in the world is subject to natural disaster through no fault of the people living there. An asteroid can hit the earth anywhere, you are gonna blame people for living on the Earth for that are you? It is a false equivalent, and if you don't know it, you should.
    You falsely assume that the people living in those places do so with no knowledge of the risks and problems. Which is simply not the case..... at least for very long.

    Do you want to argue unions and pensions? How the unions achieved many victories in wages, benefits and pensions for their members, to the tune of these being Pyrrhic Victories, where the legacy costs of all these are making the companies they worked for less and less competitive, driving some out of business as these costs are unsustainable? Those taking these inordinately high wages, benefits and pensions that were nice at the time, but unsustainable. It was kind of a Faustian bargain...eh?
    When the right rants and raves, whines and cries about unions and high wages, I rarely if ever see the evidence of this allegation. Do you have that to provide for Detroit?
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Equating natural disasters with those caused by the negligence (or outright criminal actions) of elected morons is not a good analogy.
    Oh I think its perfect as the innocent people living there are simply hit by both.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    How did city officials cause a 25% decline in population since 2010? Did they cause the 50% decline in manufacturing jobs since 2000?



    What they have experienced is a long term economic drought resulting in a collapse of the tax base. It is a man-made disaster.
    Many of the manufacturing jobs simply moved to right to work states. The tax base "voting with their feet" was a symptom of the problem, not its cause.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I would have to say that oftentimes, just like the voters in Detroit chose the wrong people to do the work of managing what was a great city at one time, that too often women are making similar choices about the men they have children with. Those are their decisions, once again not mine... I do feel sorry for the children, not so much for the mothers.

    That is somewhat off topic and calls for a whole different thread, tho.
    I would be happy to see evidence that the voters of Detroit chose the wrong people and they are responsible for the problems.

    I concede readily that government of Detroit certainly played a role in all this. No doubt about it. These financial problems should have been dealt with a long time ago.

    But having conceded that it is irrelevant to two much larger problems which killed Detroit:

    1- loss of 2/3 of the City population and the jobs and tax base that went with it,
    2- extreme racial polarization which led to Detroit being a city of mostly poor black people far less educated and far older than most other surrounding communities with far better resources.

    If city government had some magic solution for those problems and they simply mismanaged its proper application, I am not aware of it. And I live right here in SE Michigan.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Come on liberals. Ya'll need to get behind this in a big way.
    It's not my fight, but if a Canadian city of this size was in such trouble, I'd favor it being saved but I wouldn't just throw money at it. In effect, I'd have the federal government buy it, put in place a czar to govern it for the next decade, pass legislation nullifying every collective agreement of every public employee group, send in the military to put it under martial law and to raze to the ground every vacated building and property after passing legislation to seize it.

    Then, start the process of building the city up again. No first world nation should allow a city of Detroit's size and historical importance as well as geographical importance, to wither away and die.
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