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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    It's that consequence of people feeling the gov't has free and unlimited access to our money... Of course that's an overstatement, but it won't change how people feel about it.

    If you want to break the long line of precedence that each side uses as justifications and make an example of a group that already gets more representation, more tax breaks, more benefits than work-a-day citizens... start making consistent examples of finance, energy and insurance... and gov't... then we can talk about what the people must suffer through.

    The cycle needs to be broken, no question. Bailouts need to be stopped, period. It's just sad that with all the possibilities to end that string of precedences prior to Detroit... all were missed opportunities.
    Dude, don't point to prior wrongs as if this justifies another wrong. I fought hard against the first bailout back then and every one since. In fact, during the first bailout attempt I organized a large block of calls that got our representative to vote against it. Then they re-voted again without much warning and got it passed anyway. I never voted for my representative again.

    Yes, the cycle needs to be broken...NOW! People should also be aware after the last fiasco that government does not serve them it serves the special interests. Only by taking an active interest, as I insist the citizens of Detroit start doing, will we ever be able to start curing that.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Don't play that "appeal to emotion" crap in a debate on issues. You trying to tell me that most, if not all citizens of Detroit are "single mothers working 2 and 3 jobs to keep food on the table for hungry children?" Most of over 700,000 people? HARDLY!

    There would be no "unfit publice servants" if people who resided in a city were a little more civic minded. Now, after refusing to recognize a problem despite it being brought to their attention again and again, these fair citizens of Detroit deserve to be bailed out? HARDLY!

    These same citizens who refuse to allow cost-cutting reductions in city services, who demand MORE services that cannot be paid for? Who know that industry refuses to pay $30 an hour for labor, but refuses to see that Industrial flight resulted? They deserve to be bailed out? HARDLY!

    Detroit still has the resources and the tax base to solve it's own problems. Tighten the belt, sell off property, reorganize, and find solutions with the help of it's own citizens. NO one there deserves to be BAILED OUT! Whining notwithstanding.
    Well, it would seem that you single-handedly have solved the problem in your world of fantasy.

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    Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Come on liberals. Ya'll need to get behind this in a big way.
    THEY ALREADY DID BAIL OUT DETROIT!!!

    They have the money to the auto companies to shut their doors and move to Mexico, brazil, and china...

    Thanks free trade.

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    Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    I say we privatize Detroit.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Innocent? Who VOTED those "greed-suckers" into office? Take some responsibility. That's one of the problems with our current society, no one accepts any responsibility for the negative results of things they helped create.

    I've watched some of the "documentaries" about Detroit, showing town hall meetings. All I saw was people crying "gimme gimme gimme" while the government representatives kept saying "we don't have the tax base anymore." No compromise, no solutions, just a lot of demands.

    Well, you made your bed now lie in it! Or else get up and out of it and REMAKE it. Very simple, facing reality and dealing with it.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    I say we privatize Detroit.
    Sell it to Jay-Z.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Well, it would seem that you single-handedly have solved the problem in your world of fantasy.
    LOL It's only a fanatasy for people who refuse to accept responsibility. People who take responsibility take action and save themselves; those who don't end up watching flood waters rise, then drown waiting for rescue.

    Who lives in the world of fantasy? Those who act, or those who can act but prefer to beg for help? Or maybe those who make excuses for those who refuse to act?
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    LOL It's only a fanatasy for people who refuse to accept responsibility. People who take responsibility take action and save themselves; those who don't end up watching flood waters rise, then drown waiting for rescue.

    Who lives in the world of fantasy? Those who act, or those who can act but prefer to beg for help? Or maybe those who make excuses for those who refuse to act?
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Dude, don't point to prior wrongs as if this justifies another wrong. I fought hard against the first bailout back then and every one since. In fact, during the first bailout attempt I organized a large block of calls that got our representative to vote against it. Then they re-voted again without much warning and got it passed anyway. I never voted for my representative again.
    That's awesome... seems we're in agreement here. I'm not pointing out any precedences as justifications. I'm pointing out the fallacy that wrongs ARE used to justify wrongs. Same as you. However, what I, or you did personally doesn't matter. What matters is that no matter what you and I do, the momentum of these precedences within our governing bodies seems unstoppable.

    Yes, the cycle needs to be broken...NOW! People should also be aware after the last fiasco that government does not serve them it serves the special interests. Only by taking an active interest, as I insist the citizens of Detroit start doing, will we ever be able to start curing that.
    There are many things that need to change before we can even think about reclaiming our representation. For one, we have precious little access to objective, qualitative, factual information/reporting/news. The only dogs in that fight are commercial revenue and favorable representation. Facts don't figure into it.

    Next, election finance reform and lobby reform need to be seriously addressed. Otherwise, we can all have an active interest, maybe even a well informed active interest, we can write our reps, go to town hall theater, gather in the streets with bullhorns, occupy this and de-occupy that... but we won't be heard behind the closed doors of inside politics.

    However, on a local level, such as Detroit, there is a good chance to actually have an influence... if you are residents and employees... Access to reps and public servants at the local level is much harder to insulate behind closed doors.. still happens... yet easier, or at least possible to prevent.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And how does that program help Detroit and its people?

    Could you wax eloquently for a few minutes about personal responsibility and accepting the consequences of your choices for living in a flood plain?

    Could you discuss the elements of accepting personal responsibility of living along the coast where destructive and deadly seasonal storms are merely par for the course?

    Could you pontificate about the duty to accept responsibility of living in a part of the nation where a fault exists in the earth and earthquakes are inevitable?

    Could you educate us about the duty to accept personal responsibility of living in a part of the country with precious little water which has to be expensively taken from other areas of the nation just so others can live in that climate?

    Could you inform us about the duty to accept personal responsibility for living in a tornado alley which you know darn well is subject to a high probability of damage on a somewhat regular basis?

    Please do illuminate the dark recesses of our minds on all these things connected with personal responsibility.
    Could you please elucidate about why those living in Detroit continuously vote politicians into office who are inept, arrogant, and take advantage of the citizens of the city?

    It seems the issues of the majority of those living in Detroit are self-imposed.
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