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Thread: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The nature of America is that we help each other in time of need. Some areas of the nation are prone to certain natural disasters and the rest of the nation is constantly coming to their aid. And that is what is expected as Americans.
    Natural distastes are one thing, everybody can get on board with helping out those who are hurt through no fault of their own. But when someone keeps gambling, with their own and other people's money, we don't just open up our bank accounts to help them. Enabling will never solve the problem, they need to learn their lesson, pay for their mistakes instead of having everyone else paying for them. They need to understand and be made to own up to the consequences of their actions/inactions.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Natural distastes are one thing, everybody can get on board with helping out those who are hurt through no fault of their own. But when someone keeps gambling, with their own and other people's money, we don't just open up our bank accounts to help them. Enabling will never solve the problem, they need to learn their lesson, pay for their mistakes instead of having everyone else paying for them. They need to understand and be made to own up to the consequences of their actions/inactions.
    so you are saying we should make the banks who gambled everything on selling sub prime mortgages pay for their mistakes instead of forceing the rest of america to pay for their folly?

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Natural distastes are one thing, everybody can get on board with helping out those who are hurt through no fault of their own. But when someone keeps gambling, with their own and other people's money, we don't just open up our bank accounts to help them. Enabling will never solve the problem, they need to learn their lesson, pay for their mistakes instead of having everyone else paying for them. They need to understand and be made to own up to the consequences of their actions/inactions.
    Actually a natural disaster is no different than any other disaster in that it hurts Americans and requires aid to them. You say "through no fault of their own". Really? Who forced or imprisoned those people to live along the Eastern seaboard or the Gulf Coast? Who sentenced people to live in a hurricane prone area or a tornado alley? Who imprisoned the people along river flood plains? Who doomed innocent people to live on earthquake fault lines?

    And what exactly are you punishing people in Detroit for that you want them to accept "the consequences of their actions"? Are they to be punished because they performed a job for thirty or forty years and fulfilled their end of that contract and now want the other party to uphold their end? That is something you condemn as a bad action?
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    AArrggh! How hard is it to understand? NO BAILOUTS! People need to stop thinking that government has an unlimited fund of money (regardless of fiat cash) and can just pour it onto any fire we cry about. The money comes from US, the citizens. The government uses this idea to promote deficit spending...and here we are trillions in debt.

    If a city get's into financial troubles it is up to the local citizenry to FIX it. That means sitting down together and facing FACTS!!! Then coming up with a proper plan that deals with REALITY!

    Geeez, does everyone think they deserve free and unlimited access to tax dollars?
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    so you are saying we should make the banks who gambled everything on selling sub prime mortgages pay for their mistakes instead of forceing the rest of america to pay for their folly?
    Yes.

    Plus take the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac officers who misled us, as well as the legislators who actively failed to maintain oversight, who stopped the investigations, as well as the Politicians that introduced, promulgated and foisted the Community Reinvestment Act on the country should have to forfeit all their wealth and dispersed fortunes [collected from family and friends] as well... maybe put them in all in jail for a long long time, send a nice message out there to those who bent, and who in the future would bend, the nation over and ....
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    There should not be any "bailout" option. The city government created this mess and if the citizens want to save their city it is up to them it do it themselves.
    The city government, obviously comprised of greed-suckers, created the devastation, but your solution is to thrust the burden upon he innocent people to pull themselves out.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    I said no, because "bailouts" don't work anymore. Now, if the government could be trusted to find the right people to resurrect Detroit's industry, then I'd support it.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    The city government, obviously comprised of greed-suckers, created the devastation, but your solution is to thrust the burden upon he innocent people to pull themselves out.
    Innocent? Who VOTED those "greed-suckers" into office? Take some responsibility. That's one of the problems with our current society, no one accepts any responsibility for the negative results of things they helped create.

    I've watched some of the "documentaries" about Detroit, showing town hall meetings. All I saw was people crying "gimme gimme gimme" while the government representatives kept saying "we don't have the tax base anymore." No compromise, no solutions, just a lot of demands.

    Well, you made your bed now lie in it! Or else get up and out of it and REMAKE it. Very simple, facing reality and dealing with it.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    With respect to the pensioners --was Detroit's mismanagement their fault?

    If Goldman Sachs can get 100 cents on the dollar and it was their fault, I think we can find away to restructure debt and allow those who did their part to get what is owed.
    Detroit mismanagement was the fault of those living there, including those with unfunded pensions. Even if not, it was certainly not my fault. Let them figure it out on their own, or not.

    I feel the same way about Goldman Sachs, AIG, GM and Chrysler. and the banks.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Innocent? Who VOTED those "greed-suckers" into office? Take some responsibility. That's one of the problems with our current society, no one accepts any responsibility for the negative results of things they helped create.

    I've watched some of the "documentaries" about Detroit, showing town hall meetings. All I saw was people crying "gimme gimme gimme" while the government representatives kept saying "we don't have the tax base anymore." No compromise, no solutions, just a lot of demands.

    Well, you made your bed now lie in it! Or else get up and out of it and REMAKE it. Very simple, facing reality and dealing with it.
    People often vote for elected officials believing they are the best candidate only to find out that they are really demagogues.
    It's always easy to tear people down, kick them to the curb, and refuse them any help, but that's not a solution. That's exacerbating the problem, which most likely will spread to other cities.
    Instead of assigning the Sisyphean task of saving Detroit to the citizens, why not search and procure different solutions.
    It's not only Detroit crying gimme gimme gimme. In case you aren't aware, Sen. Rand Paul also cries gimme gimme gimme. For every dollar Kentucky sends to Washington, they get $1.52 back.

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