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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    No, we shouldn't bail a city out that's run itself down the tubes with constant, blatant corruption. Citizens and employees should have looked at the self inflicted downfall of Detroit, starting decades ago, and realized that it was time to pack up and leave or come up with a plan for success. I think bailouts would just enable more failure.
    Good morning, JC!

    If they had applied their corruption skills honed over the years to making Detroit successful, instead of the bankrupt failure it is today, we wouldn't be discussing this. They apparently understand enough of governance to get personally wealthy, so you have to accept the fact that they are not inept--just greedy and self-serving! And now that they realize that someone may actually straighten out the mess they have made, they have the gall to complain that their gravy train is ending? Don't the voters in Detroit understand why their city is in trouble? Unbeliveable!

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Morning Polgara

    I would have moved out in the 70's.

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, JC!

    If they had applied their corruption skills honed over the years to making Detroit successful, instead of the bankrupt failure it is today, we wouldn't be discussing this. They apparently understand enough of governance to get personally wealthy, so you have to accept the fact that they are not inept--just greedy and self-serving! And now that they realize that someone may actually straighten out the mess they have made, they have the gall to complain that their gravy train is ending? Don't the voters in Detroit understand why their city is in trouble? Unbeliveable!

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    There do seem to be simple, basic answers. A person could drive through Detroit now or 25 years ago and have the same impression that the city couldn't possibly be governed properly to say the least, so getting massive cuts in spending, including pensions, shouldn't be that much of a surprise.

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, CJ!

    How radical! It could never work --just ask someone from the Nanny State who has never tried it!

    Reminds me of the Grasshopper and the Ant. Or the Little Red Hen who did all the work required to get her loaves of bread made, and had no help from the lazy ones until it came time to eat the bread--then they were happy to help!

    There's a reason these life lesson stories have endured over the ages!

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Meaning ?
    Please elaborate.
    And be hoest...
    I believe not in bail-outs..
    But, we do have the "too big to fail" conditions.....is this one ??
    This "too big" should never have been allowed to happen....
    Democrats ought to be asked about bailing out Detroit frequently. A bare majority of Democrats favor it, but a majority of the voters oppose.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think those who's pensions are in jeopardy should somehow be taken care of. I don't think Detroit as a city is worth saving. I can't think of any industry where it makes sense to make Detroit its global headquarters where it wouldn't make more sense to have it somewhere else. The auto industry would be more efficiently run out of a city with an international seaport in my opinion.

    It would have been best to do this in advance, but create a national pool of all city workers pensions then if one city has issues, the retirees are safe. It might be good to go ahead and extend the national pooling to other benefits too like health insurance group, etc.



    It might have been a good idea if the worst run city in the world directed by the worst planners doing the worst things at both the best and the worst times had insured the pensions.

    They didn't.

    No surprise there.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Maybe the proper solution is to not have so many government workers in the first place. If the government focused on, you know, governing, rather than operating businesses, it wouldn't need so many workers on its payroll.

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    Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Maybe the proper solution is to not have so many government workers in the first place. If the government focused on, you know, governing, rather than operating businesses, it wouldn't need so many workers on its payroll.
    Maybe the solution WAS to stand up and say no when all those free trade deals were being signed that paved the way for all productive jobs to be shipped over seas... It was Sao these were the jobs that Nobody WANTED to do... Well, we find out 15 years later, or so, that people really DO want these jobs, and that these jobs really were holding the economy together...

    Let's say we give Detroit a cash injection, that will ease a bit of suffering, however, without any jobs, anything to export will mean that in 6 months the people there will be in the same spot they are today... Then what? Another bailout?

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    We bailed out the fat cats on Wall Street, doesn't Main Street get equal standing?
    How silly of me, of course it doesn't - at least, not in America ...
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    We bailed out the fat cats on Wall Street, doesn't Main Street get equal standing?
    How silly of me, of course it doesn't - at least, not in America ...
    Could you remind me how the Federal government actually "bailed out" the shareholders of Lehman Brothers?

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Could you remind me how the Federal government actually "bailed out" the shareholders of Lehman Brothers?
    And how many hundreds of billions of taxpayer money did the other banks with a large interest in commercial banking get?


    They lost their friggin' minds in 1999 when they repealed Glass-Steagall.
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