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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Single mothers working 2 & 3 jobs to keep a roof over their families heads and food on the table are great examples of personal responsibility....yadda yadda...blah blah...
    And not a thing having to do with the issue in this thread. I will not be sidetracked.

    Detroit does not deserve to be bailed out. They are capable of handling their own problems, as capable as that hard-working mother you keep going on about.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    While I understand the point you're trying to make, it falls kind of flat when you consider how many hard working people at those large corporations would have lost their jobs had they gone under.

    As to the point in the OP, I'm kind of torn. On the one hand, I don't think it's right that people may lose their pensions. On the other, I think it's more likely the people running detroit will learn a lesson from going through bankruptcy.
    "Falling flat" is a strong word. Falters a bit, maybe.

    I was born in Detroit...

    Thank god my parents had the good sense to move out while it was still in its heyday. That being said, while one can see your sarcasm as it drips in globs down on your tie, I do not believe in bailing anybody, or any entity, out when they self inflict by not making the hard decisions you need to be making along the way in order to arrive at that better ending. Detroit is just a canary in the cave regarding the unsustainable. We can also look across the pond at Europe. If we continue making bad decisions, keep spending money we do not have on things government has no business... well, I do not think there will be anybody bailing us out when we misstep on that precipice... and we will have deserved it knowing what we do now... with such vivid examples right before our very eyes.
    Personal preferences don't really matter.

    As a nation, not bailing out Detroit when we bailed out the banks says something. People and their pensions aren't as important as executives and the businesses they ran into the ground. Conventions of a capitalist society like "paying for the mistakes you made" only count when you're an ordinary, working person.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    And not a thing having to do with the issue in this thread. I will not be sidetracked.

    Detroit does not deserve to be bailed out. They are capable of handling their own problems, as capable as that hard-working mother you keep going on about.
    In case no other woman has told you this, "I don't subscribe to your rhetoric." Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    We should not bail out *ANYTHING*. Actions have consequences. Failure is the result of bad decisions. Those who make bad decisions deserve to fail.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    And not a thing having to do with the issue in this thread. I will not be sidetracked.

    Detroit does not deserve to be bailed out. They are capable of handling their own problems, as capable as that hard-working mother you keep going on about.
    and what if Detroit financial troubles causes it to fail and drags the entire country down with it?

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    and what if Detroit financial troubles causes it to fail and drags the entire country down with it?
    It can't do that if nobody but Detroit is responsible for it's own failure. The only way it can drag the entire country down is if they force Michigan to cover Detroit's failure and when Michigan fails, forcing the United States federal government to cover the failure of both.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    In case no other woman has told you this, "I don't subscribe to your rhetoric." Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
    I don't smoke, it's bad for your health.

    I wasn't using "rhetoric," I was adressing an issue that concerns me honestly, directly, and rationally. However, you were avoiding the issue and attempting to use logical fallacies to sway emotion and shift direction from the point. I called you on it, and this is how you respond.

    Your inability to provide a rational argument in support of your position is no reason to make this personal. It's just a debate.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    On one hand, we bailed out too big to fail corporations...who, to a lesser extent, are responsible for some of Detroits hardships. NOT bailing out Detroit then sends a certain message, don't you think?

    And sure, many of you will say you were against the bailouts...but that fact is, those bailouts happened.


    I will support a bailout of Detroit if her leaders are required to file personal bankruptcy, and auction off some of their luxuries to help pay off some of their obligations.
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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I don't smoke, it's bad for your health.

    I wasn't using "rhetoric," I was adressing an issue that concerns me honestly, directly, and rationally. However, you were avoiding the issue and attempting to use logical fallacies to sway emotion and shift direction from the point. I called you on it, and this is how you respond.

    Your inability to provide a rational argument in support of your position is no reason to make this personal. It's just a debate.
    It was a metaphor.
    You need to calm down and realize that not all people think as you do.
    And stop trying to goad me. It's very off-putting.

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    Re: Poll: Do You Favor Bailing Out Detroit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Innocent? Who VOTED those "greed-suckers" into office? Take some responsibility. That's one of the problems with our current society, no one accepts any responsibility for the negative results of things they helped create.

    I've watched some of the "documentaries" about Detroit, showing town hall meetings. All I saw was people crying "gimme gimme gimme" while the government representatives kept saying "we don't have the tax base anymore." No compromise, no solutions, just a lot of demands.

    Well, you made your bed now lie in it! Or else get up and out of it and REMAKE it. Very simple, facing reality and dealing with it.
    The politicians who get elected are the ones who promise the world, even if the world is not deliverable. As long as the people keep insisting on getting the world, things will not change. And I don't mean just in Detroit, I mean all over the country. Detroit is just one of the first, and so far biggest, domino to fall.
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