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Do you support school uniforms?

What is your stance on School Uniforms?

  • Yes and the school should offer them at no extra cost.

    Votes: 20 18.3%

  • Yes and the parents should pay for them.

    Votes: 40 36.7%

  • They should be optional for students who want them

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • There should be school uniforms for specific activities only

    Votes: 3 2.8%

  • We should leave it to the parents to decide if the school should have uniforms

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • We should leave it at municipal/state level

    Votes: 10 9.2%

  • We shouldn't have school uniforms at all

    Votes: 24 22.0%

  • I like the current way things are.

    Votes: 5 4.6%

  • I hate uniforms

    Votes: 9 8.3%

  • I'm a potato.

    Votes: 13 11.9%
  • Total voters
    109
Dittohead not! said:
If you don't care about preventing discrimination based on economics, improving school attendance, and reducing distractions, then, of course, you're not going to be in favor of uniforms.
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When people are free to express themselves people will judge them for being different. It goes with the territory of being free. I'm not overly moved by something I already knew that comes about from the collectivist mindset. Everyone should already be aware that people will judge each other less when everyone is the same. Why would that move me at all?
 
Well, I guess I should admit here that I also don't particularly care if school kids are "free." In fact, I'm pretty sure I don't want them to be. This is not to say that I wish them to automatons in their thinking, only in what they wear to school.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Dress codes only work if the parents support them. If it's the teacher's fault when the school has to call the parents to bring appropriate clothing, and/or if the parent can not be reached or refuses to do anything about their child's dress, then it won't work, and there's no point to even having a dress code.
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I have never met a parent that didn't respect and work with dress codes... some poorer people have issues here and there supplying their kids with uniforms but they don't do it on purpose. If a kid fights it they will lose. The parents are notified and either bring the correct uniform or they have to take their kid home for the day. I haven't met a parent yet that likes to be called in from work to deal with their disrespectful child. The issues gets sorted...
 
Henrin said:
When people are free to express themselves people will judge them for being different. It goes with the territory of being free. I'm not overly moved by something I already knew that comes about from the collectivist mindset. Everyone should already be aware that people will judge each other less when everyone is the same. Why would that move me at all?
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Do you really not see the reasoning, or do just not care? I'm not for uniforms but it seems pretty clear that the idea is that students would be able to learn more easily if they don't feel as judged. Granted, I think one could also argue that they'll have to get used to being judged at some point.
 
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afr0byte said:
Do you really not see the reasoning, or do just not care? I'm not for uniforms but it seems pretty clear that the idea is that students would be able to learn more easily if they don't feel as judged. Granted, I think one could also argue that they'll have to get used to be judged at some point.
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It's difficult just to be a kid--too fat/thin, smart/dumb, pretty/homely and just fill-in-the-blank. There's still going to be plenty of competition outside of school for who has the trendiest shoes or jeans; uniforms just cut down on this in class.
 
Henrin said:
What distractions in class? I don't remember any distractions in class growing up caused from clothes. People keep saying this kind of stuff, but I honestly don't get it. I'm constantly looking for ways to have as little rules as possible on individuals and taking away choice completely is entirely unacceptable. Uniforms have a purpose and anyone at all knowledgeable about their history knows it's not maintaining individuality. As an individualist I can not support collective minded gibberish, ever.
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Lots of problems from gang attire, certain colors, pants hanging low, chains, hats, hoodies, economic problems of poorer people, short skirts, showing the tummy (for girls), drug clothes, Al Pacino shirts, homosexual attire, teasing about stuff... there are a lot of issues that are solved by uniforms. And I have not heard from one student or parent in all my years about collective minded gibberish or stiffling indivuality... not once.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Lots of problems from gang attire, certain colors, pants hanging low, chains, hats, hoodies, economic problems of poorer people, short skirts, showing the tummy (for girls), drug clothes, Al Pacino shirts, homosexual attire, teasing about stuff... there are a lot of issues that are solved by uniforms. And I have not heard from one student or parent in all my years about collective minded gibberish or stiffling indivuality... not once.
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What's homosexual attire?
 
afr0byte said:
What's homosexual attire?
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Bodhisattva said:
Lots of problems from gang attire, certain colors, pants hanging low, chains, hats, hoodies, economic problems of poorer people, short skirts, showing the tummy (for girls), drug clothes, Al Pacino shirts, homosexual attire, teasing about stuff... there are a lot of issues that are solved by uniforms. And I have not heard from one student or parent in all my years about collective minded gibberish or stiffling indivuality... not once.
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Why would I come to you about it? I would just pull my kid from the school and walk. There is no reason to tell anyone why. Anyway, I don't think you understand that I don't give a **** what your reasons are. I'm well aware that people have a problem with kids wearing certain clothes, but I don't care what they think nor does it matter. If kids are acting up your discipline them as you see fit. There is no reason at all to stop them from wearing what they want.
 
afr0byte said:
What's homosexual attire?
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The way that gay guys sometimes dress... not really sure it is an attire though. Not that there is anything wrong with it, it just makes a target sometimes.
 
Henrin said:
Why would I come to you about it? I would just pull my kid from the school and walk. There is no reason to tell anyone why. Anyway, I don't think you understand that I don't give a **** what your reasons are. I'm well aware that people have a problem with kids wearing certain clothes, but I don't care what they think nor does it matter. If kids are acting up your discipline them as you see fit. There is no reason at all to stop them from wearing what they want.
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The issue is that you don't give a **** that the reasons are valid. We have all sorts of rules that limit freedoms. Do you oppose them all? And the problems are generally the kids having problems with the other kids. Since the reasons are valid there is a reason to stop them from wearing what they want. I assume that you feel that girls wearing bikini's into class is fine then?
 
Bodhisattva said:
The issue is that you don't give a **** that the reasons are valid. We have all sorts of rules that limit freedoms. Do you oppose them all? And the problems are generally the kids having problems with the other kids. Since the reasons are valid there is a reason to stop them from wearing what they want. I assume that you feel that girls wearing bikini's into class is fine then?
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Just because less freedom will lower instances of behavior problems does not mean I need to support less freedom. I can just as easily say that the freedom that is lost is to great and stand against whatever is proposed. It all comes down to what you value more and I value freedom more.
 
Henrin said:
Just because less freedom will lower instances of behavior problems does not mean I need to support less freedom. I can just as easily say that the freedom that is lost is to great and stand against whatever is proposed. It all comes down to what you value more and I value freedom more.
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So I must have assumed correctly... you would favor students showing up in bikini's and speedo's. Gotchya.
 
Bodhisattva said:
So I must have assumed correctly... you would favor students showing up in bikini's and speedo's. Gotchya.
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I don't think requiring school uniforms has anything do with freedom. LOL! I guess McDonald's workers, etc., must be slaves then. :lol:
 
ChrisL said:
I don't think requiring school uniforms has anything do with freedom. LOL! I guess McDonald's workers, etc., must be slaves then. :lol:
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McDonald workers have a choice to work at that certain establishment, while children do not have a choice in their situation.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't think requiring school uniforms has anything do with freedom. LOL! I guess McDonald's workers, etc., must be slaves then. :lol:
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There you go. And we make kids do what we tell them all the time. They don't have freedom. They live by adults totalitarian rule. I made this point to him with regards to bikini's and he avoided that because it will show he has some rules that he cares about.
 
Henrin said:
McDonald workers have a choice to work at that certain establishment, while children do not have a choice in their situation.
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Oh well. They are in school to get them prepared for the REAL world, not your little fantasy island.
 
Bodhisattva said:
So I must have assumed correctly... you would favor students showing up in bikini's and speedo's. Gotchya.
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I really don't think you understand that my argument revolves around individuality and a complete rejection of rules designed to teach conformity.
 
Henrin said:
McDonald workers have a choice to work at that certain establishment, while children do not have a choice in their situation.
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Kids don't have a choice in their bedtime, what they will eat for dinner or when they will have a play with their friends either. As a parent I tell them what to do. As a teacher I tell them what to do. They are kids. Can't remember if you have kids or not but it sure as hell doesn't sound like you do.
 
Bodhisattva said:
There you go. And we make kids do what we tell them all the time. They don't have freedom. They live by adults totalitarian rule. I made this point to him with regards to bikini's and he avoided that because it will show he has some rules that he cares about.
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Children do not have the same rights as adults anyway. They are minors and still under the control and guidance of their parents, whether Henrin likes it or not.
 
Henrin said:
I really don't think you understand that my argument revolves around individuality and a complete rejection of rules designed to teach conformity.
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Then you are an anarchist?
 
ChrisL said:
Children do not have the same rights as adults anyway. They are minors and still under the control and guidance of their parents, whether Henrin likes it or not.
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And even adults have rules that control us and keep us from expressing our "individuality". Speed limits. Speech laws. Nudity zones. The list is almost endless...
 
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