View Poll Results: What is your stance on School Uniforms?

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  • Yes and the school should offer them at no extra cost.

    30 22.73%
  • Yes and the parents should pay for them.

    46 34.85%
  • They should be optional for students who want them

    2 1.52%
  • There should be school uniforms for specific activities only

    4 3.03%
  • We should leave it to the parents to decide if the school should have uniforms

    12 9.09%
  • We should leave it at municipal/state level

    10 7.58%
  • We shouldn't have school uniforms at all

    28 21.21%
  • I like the current way things are.

    8 6.06%
  • I hate uniforms

    11 8.33%
  • I'm a potato.

    16 12.12%
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I'm sorry Bodhisattva, but I do not see a course of study, curriculum, as being collectivist. And I surely don't see rules that maintain order and structure as being collectivism. But when a group decides to take upon themselves to enforce rules that infringe of the liberties of others involving a public institution, then I think it needs to be challenged. And it is my belief that enforcing mandatory uniform dress in a public school unjust. So we will have to agree to disagree.
    I don't think that you know what collectivism is, to be honest. Rules maintaining the order and structure of the group or team is the root of collectivism.

    Collectivist orientations stress the importance of cohesion within social groups and in some cases, the priority of group goals over individual goals.

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    The class of students are given time tables and herded from here to there. They are punished if they are late or don't show up to the required place at the required time They are silenced with threats in assemblies. Teachers and administration stress the importance of cohesion within the group or class. Many times the priority is group goals over individual goals and this is exemplified by telling them what they can and can't say, telling them when they can say it, telling them when they can and can't eat, etc.

    So no, I will not agree to disagree this time. This is not a simple discussion of opinions where you or I may be right. This is a situation where you are wrong. I readily admit that I am wrong many times. I have no problem with that. The problem is that this is not one of the billions of times that I am wrong (ask my ex wife, it might have been trillions of times). Sorry... you and Henrin are simply wrong.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    It was a metaphor but only to a degree. My school was pretty wild.
    I really enjoyed my youth and it is hard for me to even imagine what it would be like to have been subjected to such control.
    It simply never could have happened.
    I guess times are just different now. I'll accept that and move on. Not as though its my problem or a significant issue for me.
    You were subjected to such control... even more actually. It was in the terms of your parents and their billion rules that you had to follow. Same at school. I just think that you think that uniforms is harsher than it really is...
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Yes, but I think there should be more than one uniform to choose from. Invariably, uniforms are unflattering to one body type, and what a bummer for a kid to have to feel unattractive every day. Also, that offers some degree of choice.

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?



    What was it you found so objectionable about uniforms again?
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post


    What was it you found so objectionable about uniforms again?
    How dare you stifle his freedom of expression!

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    How dare you stifle his freedom of expression!
    Who is stifling his freedom of expression?
    Our military is set up to be voluntary. So the picture of the marine in his dress blues made an INDIVIDUAL choice to serve knowing part of that service involved wearing a uniform.

    But when you mandate uniforms on children in a public institution you take away their INDIVIDUAL freedom of expression whether it be personal, religious or cultural traditional dress. You treat them COLLECTIVELY as a group. Ironically, Socialist countries which claimed to oppose militarism in contrast often impose school uniforms.

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Who is stifling his freedom of expression?
    Our military is set up to be voluntary. So the picture of the marine in his dress blues made an INDIVIDUAL choice to serve knowing part of that service involved wearing a uniform.

    But when you mandate uniforms on children in a public institution you take away their INDIVIDUAL freedom of expression whether it be personal, religious or cultural traditional dress. You treat them COLLECTIVELY as a group. Ironically, Socialist countries which claimed to oppose militarism in contrast often impose school uniforms.
    Plenty of people have to wear uniforms. There is really no difference. The children have plenty of time to dress the way they want on their own time. When they are in school, they are there thanks to taxpayer monies, and we responsible taxpayers want them in school learning, not for a fashion show or a place to "express" their individuality. THAT is not what school is about. It is about learning PERIOD, and many of these kids do not know how to dress appropriately, and neither do their parents apparently, and these children are distractions to others and themselves when they are worried about what they are going to wear rather than if they did their homework. This is NOT rocket science.

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Who is stifling his freedom of expression?
    Our military is set up to be voluntary. So the picture of the marine in his dress blues made an INDIVIDUAL choice to serve knowing part of that service involved wearing a uniform.

    But when you mandate uniforms on children in a public institution you take away their INDIVIDUAL freedom of expression whether it be personal, religious or cultural traditional dress. You treat them COLLECTIVELY as a group. Ironically, Socialist countries which claimed to oppose militarism in contrast often impose school uniforms.
    Again, that's why school should be an individual choice.
    and why the order and discipline engendered by, if not uniforms, at least by a strict dress code, is necessary for the teaching of such higher level thinking skills as recognizing irony.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Who is stifling his freedom of expression?
    Our military is set up to be voluntary. So the picture of the marine in his dress blues made an INDIVIDUAL choice to serve knowing part of that service involved wearing a uniform.

    But when you mandate uniforms on children in a public institution you take away their INDIVIDUAL freedom of expression whether it be personal, religious or cultural traditional dress. You treat them COLLECTIVELY as a group. Ironically, Socialist countries which claimed to oppose militarism in contrast often impose school uniforms.
    Did you miss my post #431 or are you just ignoring it? It goes to the heart of your argument, which, by the way, you are not defending with any facts. This is a debate site. I offer facts and you refute them, bot just say I don't agree. That is not a debate. Here it is again though...

    I don't think that you know what collectivism is, to be honest. Rules maintaining the order and structure of the group or team is the root of collectivism.

    Collectivist orientations stress the importance of cohesion within social groups and in some cases, the priority of group goals over individual goals.

    Collectivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The class of students are given time tables and herded from here to there. They are punished if they are late or don't show up to the required place at the required time They are silenced with threats in assemblies. Teachers and administration stress the importance of cohesion within the group or class. Many times the priority is group goals over individual goals and this is exemplified by telling them what they can and can't say, telling them when they can say it, telling them when they can and can't eat, etc.

    So no, I will not agree to disagree this time. This is not a simple discussion of opinions where you or I may be right. This is a situation where you are wrong. I readily admit that I am wrong many times. I have no problem with that. The problem is that this is not one of the billions of times that I am wrong (ask my ex wife, it might have been trillions of times). Sorry... you and Henrin are simply wrong.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Plenty of people have to wear uniforms. There is really no difference. The children have plenty of time to dress the way they want on their own time. When they are in school, they are there thanks to taxpayer monies, and we responsible taxpayers want them in school learning, not for a fashion show or a place to "express" their individuality. THAT is not what school is about. It is about learning PERIOD, and many of these kids do not know how to dress appropriately, and neither do their parents apparently, and these children are distractions to others and themselves when they are worried about what they are going to wear rather than if they did their homework. This is NOT rocket science.
    She just wants to share her emotions and be heard. This is a very female thing to do. Facts are irrelevant because we are talking about "feelings" with her... I read Men Are From Mars and Women Are From Venus. I know what I am talking about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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