View Poll Results: What is your stance on School Uniforms?

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  • Yes and the school should offer them at no extra cost.

    30 22.73%
  • Yes and the parents should pay for them.

    46 34.85%
  • They should be optional for students who want them

    2 1.52%
  • There should be school uniforms for specific activities only

    4 3.03%
  • We should leave it to the parents to decide if the school should have uniforms

    12 9.09%
  • We should leave it at municipal/state level

    10 7.58%
  • We shouldn't have school uniforms at all

    28 21.21%
  • I like the current way things are.

    8 6.06%
  • I hate uniforms

    11 8.33%
  • I'm a potato.

    16 12.12%
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Is there a dress code for young people in high school who just want a part-time job when interviewing and then working? How about when they graduate from college et al goes for an interview? Do you believe in the new service requirements for high school graduation?
    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    A dress code isn't the way the real world operates and a concern of all educators should be to prepare a student for the real world. Whether you accept it or not, school uniforms
    diminish free expression in our youth at a time when young people are trying desperately to establish who they are as an individual. There's no shortage of collectivist thinkers in academia. They tend to go hand in hand these days. So something like the importance of individuality goes over your head. That is why your support as an educator for forced uniforms doesn't come as any surprise. For it is a stellar example of collectivism. Unfortunately collectivism produces followers not leaders. Pity you don't want to take the effort to nurture and encourage individuality for that is where leaders and innovators arise.

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    A dress code isn't the way the real world operates and a concern of all educators should be to prepare a student for the real world...
    Really? You mean the "real world" of McDonald's and other fast food chain uniforms? Or the buiness "real world" of suits and ties, and business dress for ladies? Perhaps you mean the "real world" of military service? Or the "real world" of law enforcement? Don't forget the "real world" of security guards or 7-11 employees. How many more "real worlds" do I need to point out? LOL

    If you think adults who don't work at "Hot Topic" don't deal with uniformity of apparel, you have another Think coming.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    A dress code isn't the way the real world operates and a concern of all educators should be to prepare a student for the real world. Whether you accept it or not, school uniforms
    diminish free expression in our youth at a time when young people are trying desperately to establish who they are as an individual. There's no shortage of collectivist thinkers in academia. They tend to go hand in hand these days. So something like the importance of individuality goes over your head. That is why your support as an educator for forced uniforms doesn't come as any surprise. For it is a stellar example of collectivism. Unfortunately collectivism produces followers not leaders. Pity you don't want to take the effort to nurture and encourage individuality for that is where leaders and innovators arise.
    Right... it is a pity that I don't encourage individuality, you got me.

    I'll as you the same thing I asked Henrin before he ran away. If you can come up with a logical, decent argument I might take you seriously. We will see...

    Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    Explain how a uniform is more oppressive or any different than telling a kid what time to be in class, where to sit in class, when they are allowed to talk, to stay in for lunch detention, when they can text, when they can open their book or write, etc. You have no argument bro... just get the hell over it.
    Good luck trying to wiggle your way out of this one...
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Really? You mean the "real world" of McDonald's and other fast food chain uniforms? Or the buiness "real world" of suits and ties, and business dress for ladies? Perhaps you mean the "real world" of military service? Or the "real world" of law enforcement? Don't forget the "real world" of security guards or 7-11 employees. How many real worlds do I need to point out? LOL

    If you think adults who don't work at "Hot Topic" don't deal with uniformity of apparel, you have another Think coming.
    And now you beat me to this response!

    This perfectly fits my question to them as posted in my above post. Also, the "real world" of having to be on time, work on projects that you are told you have to do, when you can eat lunch, work where they tell you to sit, not interrupt the boss while he is talking... etc. and as you state, wear a uniform at at least dress the part. Well said Captain.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And now you beat me to this response!

    This perfectly fits my question to them as posted in my above post. Also, the "real world" of having to be on time, work on projects that you are told you have to do, when you can eat lunch, work where they tell you to sit, not interrupt the boss while he is talking... etc. and as you state, wear a uniform at at least dress the part. Well said Captain.
    I know he quoted you, but it was such a juicy bait I just HAD to respond!! LOL Sowwie.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I know he quoted you, but it was such a juicy bait I just HAD to respond!! LOL Sowwie.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    A dress code isn't the way the real world operates and a concern of all educators should be to prepare a student for the real world.
    Whevever I've worked, there has been a dress code. Dress codes are the way the "real world" operates. And many employees wear a uniform or a "uniform."

    I think the primary purpose of teachers is to teach. Call me "old-fashioned." I never needed others to do any more than to encourage my kids to learn and to be kind and supportive of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Whether you accept it or not, school uniforms diminish free expression in our youth at a time when young people are trying desperately to establish who they are as an individual. .
    I really don't give much of crap about kids' freedom of expression sartorially in the classroom; they have after school and weekends to "express" themselves. What they need to be doing in school is learning.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    There's no shortage of collectivist thinkers in academia. They tend to go hand in hand these days. So something like the importance of individuality goes over your head.
    That's quite a generalization. Could you provide some examples of collectivist thinkers in academia please?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That is why your support as an educator for forced uniforms doesn't come as any surprise. For it is a stellar example of collectivism. Unfortunately collectivism produces followers not leaders. Pity you don't want to take the effort to nurture and encourage individuality for that is where leaders and innovators arise.
    Oh, good heavenly days. School uniforms are a "stellar example of collectivism"? Yikes.

    In my experience it's much easier to nurture and inspire when there is focus (and also a desire to learn, sigh, but never mind about that).

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Is it really the kids expression you are worried about? Or could it possibly be the thrill YOU get buying them stuff to impress their freinds with? LOL
    Well..

    I have already made decisions on what my child is allowed to wear and what she is not and I don't need the government undermining my parenting decisions and frankly insulting me by saying they don't approve of them. The shorts I allow her to wear might be shorter than they allow and to be perfectly blunt I never asked for their opinion and my daughter doesn't need their approval on if her shorts are long enough. I might very well have different ideas on what I find acceptable than what complete strangers find acceptable and their opinion means nothing to me. The sooner they stop throwing their opinion in areas that they are not asked to have one the better.

    She wants to express herself and one such outlet is through clothing and someone that understands the importance of being yourself and establishing who you are as a person I support her desire to do so. I don't stand against uniforms for me, but for children that simply want to express themselves for who they are. There is nothing wrong with having more money than other people or being more popular than someone else and I'm not going to humor the idea that there is. So my child has nice clothes and some other kid doesn't, so what. That is just life. I'm not going to lose sleep over that other kid and I'm not going to support restricting the expression of my girl because of it.

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Really? You mean the "real world" of McDonald's and other fast food chain uniforms? Or the buiness "real world" of suits and ties, and business dress for ladies? Perhaps you mean the "real world" of military service? Or the "real world" of law enforcement? Don't forget the "real world" of security guards or 7-11 employees. How many real worlds do I need to point out? LOL

    If you think adults who don't work at "Hot Topic" don't deal with uniformity of apparel, you have another Think coming.
    All the examples you quoted involve a person having a choice to choose a profession that involves wearing a uniform. Yes choice, an individual decision. Business dress is not a uniform but a reasonable dress code. Big difference.

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    All the examples you quoted involve a person having a choice to choose a profession that involves wearing a uniform. Yes choice, an individual decision. Business dress is not a uniform but a reasonable dress code. Big difference.
    Children are not adults. Do you understand the difference? Henrin doesn't. If a kid wants to wear something that their parent doesn't want them to wear, guess what? The kid is being oppressed and **** out of luck. No individuality. Oppression. Deal with the facts and stop trying to create some dreamland children's utopia where they have these mythical rights of individuality.
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