View Poll Results: What is your stance on School Uniforms?

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  • Yes and the school should offer them at no extra cost.

    30 22.73%
  • Yes and the parents should pay for them.

    46 34.85%
  • They should be optional for students who want them

    2 1.52%
  • There should be school uniforms for specific activities only

    4 3.03%
  • We should leave it to the parents to decide if the school should have uniforms

    12 9.09%
  • We should leave it at municipal/state level

    10 7.58%
  • We shouldn't have school uniforms at all

    28 21.21%
  • I like the current way things are.

    8 6.06%
  • I hate uniforms

    11 8.33%
  • I'm a potato.

    16 12.12%
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Let's see the average school uniform is rather unisex except for the boy's trousers replaced with Stalin looking jumpers for girls and ladies golf skirts. Both have an unisex assortment of bland color polo golf shirts and a sparse selection of button down shirts, usually white and blue. So if a parent has to spend their limited clothing allowance on these types of clothing for their child to attend school what is a young lady to wear on a date, a dance, a picnic if her parents need not purchase two sets of clothing? Should she opt for the Stalin jumper and maybe accessorize with a red star pin or the old lady golf skirt? According to you advocates for school uniforms, there is no other clothing requirements for the parents and that is obviously not true. But if the student was permitted to wear what their parents end up having to buy them to wear outside of school, of course it would be less expensive.
    Without the additional cost of uniforms, for a family with 2-3 kids, just getting all the haircuts, eye exams/glasses updated, shoes and additional items needed for sporting activities, physicals, dental appointments and the ever growing list of supplies each pupil is to provide along with all the tissues, hand sanitizers, toilet paper. Cripe a kid can't make it to class the first day carrying all the crap they are told to supply. Enough!
    Last edited by vesper; 08-16-13 at 04:41 PM.

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, you're doing it to claim his arguments are invalid. Who do you think you're fooling with this?
    His motive is the reason that his arguments are invalid. The only one being fooled, somehow, is you because I have been pretty open about how and why he is wrong. To you too... you don't agree either, but you are still 100% wrong as well.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    What's to prove? When you limit the diversity by making kids choose a handful of approved articles of clothing that does not allow any expression I think that pretty much makes the case for lack of diversity.

    Heck some of these schools that have opted for uniforms have a list of backpacks, shoes and lunch boxes that will be acceptable. God forbid the Avengers or Captain America be on a child's lunch box. Idiots.
    You seem to think that what the kid wears dictates an inability to be an individual. That is what matters about diversity... not the superficial clothes on their back. You don't understand personality or psychology on the most fucndamental level apparently. Like I said, you are probably a kid. That is fine. Just doesn't give you enough experience to make a informed choice... and why adults make the rules too.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Wow, so targeting the people that actually are the problem is a waste of time and effort? Seriously? It's not a waste of time and effort if you keep in mind that the number one goal is to maintain as much freedom as possible for all involved. Since the vast majority are doing nothing wrong there is no reason to act on them.
    The number one goal in education is to educate. It has nothing to do with freedom or anything close to it. That is why there are a ton of rules and kids get detentions, hearings, restorative meetings, suspended and rewarded based on the rules that adults set. You can't or won't see a distinction between out of school and in school. That is your loss.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You seem to think that what the kid wears dictates an inability to be an individual. That is what matters about diversity... not the superficial clothes on their back. You don't understand personality or psychology on the most fucndamental level apparently. Like I said, you are probably a kid. That is fine. Just doesn't give you enough experience to make a informed choice... and why adults make the rules too.
    And I suggest you not concern yourself with the choices of others nor is it significant that it be your opinion their choice of clothing is superficial. It's none of your business quite frankly. Your concern should be solely on what's on the backs of your own children.

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I've already addressed my views on the need for rules and dress codes. It is up to the adults in charge to make sure those distractions are removed.

    Those adults which include administrators who make a damn good wage should start earning their money the good people pay them.
    It seems that the teachers here, the ones that you want to make sure the distractions are removed, favor removing them by enforcing dress codes and uniforms. You tell us to do a job and then bitch and whine when we express what will solve the problem. You are part of the problem little buddy...

    No nimrod, I don't support kids texting all day in school.
    But you don't want to stifle their freedom of expression, right? Seems hypocritical to me...

    I've listen to the proponents of school uniforms claiming they would instill discipline and prevent gang-related violence.
    And they are correct. Why will you not listen to the educators?
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And I suggest you not concern yourself with the choices of others nor is it significant that it be your opinion their choice of clothing is superficial. It's none of your business quite frankly. Your concern should be solely on what's on the backs of your own children.
    I am a teacher giving you expert opinion based off of years in the business and I am telling you what works.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Overbearing parents and schools are just as bad as any one else that is overbearing on those that they govern. I don't happen to find oppression is a desirable way to obtain your goals. You can whip a kid everyday until they stop acting up or you can actually be a parent and stop abusing your authority. You can have laws on everything under the sun that might do harm and I'm sure you will have some sort of positive return for your efforts. Absolute rule is without question a very effective way to reach your goals no matter what they are and abuse of those you govern will no doubt come about if you practice it. There is no reason to doubt that many times loss of freedom could be argued is a positive thing and in many of those cases the argument will lean heavily towards the argument that it improved the behavior of those governed. Don't be surprised that I don't consider it a good one.
    Overbearing? You drag in straw man arguments about whipping, absolute rule, and oppression; NONE of which has anything to do with the issue.

    Children would not be "oppressed" by wearing school uniforms, it would actually relieve them of the oppression of trying to "fit in" by being fashionable, even if they cannot afford it. Yes, other ills would still exist and they would still need to be addressed; but having to "look cool" or become an "outsider" would no longer be one of them. That's not even addressing the financial advantages, as well as the advantages to overall classroom discipline and focus on education.

    Perhaps you need to assess your over-reaction to this suggestion. Your motivation is hard to understand, because you keep projecting skewed positions onto the rest of us that have no basis in any of the arguments used in support of this idea.
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; 08-16-13 at 06:19 PM.
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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The number one goal in education is to educate. It has nothing to do with freedom or anything close to it. That is why there are a ton of rules and kids get detentions, hearings, restorative meetings, suspended and rewarded based on the rules that adults set. You can't or won't see a distinction between out of school and in school. That is your loss.
    Setting rules and punishments for misbehavior is the exact kind of behavior I expect, but what I don't expect is that if a child is doing nothing wrong they are acted on and allowed absolutely no freedom in how they are able to dress because someone else is bullying students. Why is it that innocent parties are being acted on because someone else is acting up? How is that justified?

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    Re: Do you support school uniforms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Overbearing? You drag in straw man arguments about whipping, absolute rule, and oppression; NONE of which has anything to do with the issue.
    Controlling how someone dresses absolutely or very near to it is oppressive, it is overbearing and it is absolute in it's nature.

    Children would not be "oppressed" by wearing school uniforms, it would actually relieve them of the oppression of trying to "fit in" by being fashionable, even if they cannot afford it. Yes, other ills would still exist and they would still need to be addressed; but having to "look cool" or become an "outsider" would no longer be one of them. That's not even addressing the financial advantages, as well as the advantages to overall classroom discipline and focus on education.
    There is no oppression from fitting in. It's a normal part of life that everyone has to deal with. To call natural occurrences oppression is absolute idiocy. I don't even care about the last two. Meh..

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