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Is communism possible in the USA?

Is communism possible in the USA?

  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

    Votes: 9 9.1%

  • Yes, community type of communism

    Votes: 10 10.1%

  • Yes, religious type of communism

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Yes, other type of communism

    Votes: 12 12.1%

  • No, not possible

    Votes: 57 57.6%

  • Dunno

    Votes: 3 3.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 6 6.1%
  • Total voters
    99
AngryOldGuy said:
I give up, the brainwashing has been far too complete, lotsa folks are now kinda ok with the idea of socialism
but the mere mention of 'pure capitalism' makes em pee themselves, If good old fashioned communism
has been shown to kill millions of its own citizens and capitalism can be shown to have made America rich
then why in the blue blazes would anyone delude themselves into thinking 'pure capitalism' is evil?

I know why oh I so do and it makes me a sad sad Panda
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i think it is not the concept of "pure capitalism" that some people have a problem, it is the fear of what kind of people the system creates. some people fear that pure capitalism creates a environment where stereotypical corporate villain, a ceo who is willing to gut a rainforest without regard for environmental regulations, a man willing to bulldoze a orphanage to build a mansion, or someone who values profit over the lives and saftey of his workers.

there is concern that pure capitalism creates a situation were the rights of workers and regular people are trumped by the power of the wealthy businessmen and corporate tycoons, creating in effect another Gilded age.
 
Unitedwestand13 :applaud
 
AngryOldGuy said:
I give up, the brainwashing has been far too complete, lotsa folks are now kinda ok with the idea of socialism
but the mere mention of 'pure capitalism' makes em pee themselves, If good old fashioned communism
has been shown to kill millions of its own citizens and capitalism can be shown to have made America rich
then why in the blue blazes would anyone delude themselves into thinking 'pure capitalism' is evil?

I know why oh I so do and it makes me a sad sad Panda
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Double speak. You said yourself that laissez faire capitalism would be "too much of a good thing. <wink>". So why would you think that unbrideled "pure" capitalism is good thing? Isn't laissez faire capitalism just "pure" capitalism with a fancy name?



AngryOldGuy said:
Then clearly you'd agree that laissez faire capitalism would be taking it too far in the other direction Right?

After all that would just be too much of a good thing ;)
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Gipper said:
I've named a ton before, ranging from Allende's Chile to the Eastern European bloc of the 80s, amongst numerous others.

Socialism's been tried. Socialism's failed.
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Your wrong, Nixon, henry kissinger, and the CIA assemble a coup in Chile, because Allende nationalized copper mines.

You my friend are a strawman.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
I love it when these gawdless commies try to us Jeebus to justify their murderous ideology, don't you?
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Who are you calling a "gawdless commie"?
 
ha ha ha I think I'm likin' you already
yeah mebbe laissez faire is just a fancy French way of saying 'Leave it be' dating back to the late 1600's <wink>

Scholars generally believe a laissez-faire state or a completely free market has never existed

Now after what has gone on in this country over the last five years only a madman would advocate ANY form of capitalism
Hell now the question has become:
Is communism possible in the USA?
The obvious answer is Yes Sally its only a matter of time.

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jag2594 said:
Your wrong, Nixon, henry kissinger, and the CIA assemble a coup in Chile, because Allende nationalized copper mines.

You my friend are a strawman.
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Thank you for proving my point. Also, thank you for throwing in a joke with your ad-hom.

By the time Pinochet took over, Chile's economy was practically nonexistent.
 
Me the Conservative Atheist that's who.
 
Socialism must be an Okay system when we realize that the Capitalists find it such a threat to their very existence.

So what if another country on the globe wants to enjoy a Socialist form of government? What harm does it do to outsiders?

But, each time any attempt is made at introducing socialism, the Captitalist's go on the attack and encourage a coup. Sanctions are imposed and the media demonizes or ridicules the socialist leadership.

If a socialist system was doomed to failure from the start, then why don't the Capitalists just sit back and watch it collapse on it's own?

The truth must be that Socialism is a successful system and it is only that the Capitalists are deathly afraid of a competing system, so they gotta nip it in the bud and demonize it before it's contagion. The Capitalists threaten and cajole any socialist system and force the socialists to invest heavily into the military rather than in it's People. And failing that, the Capitalists finance NGO's and encourage civil unrest.

The irony is .... that the Capitalists have a "Socialist" military establishment and where every soldier's fortune is based upon socialism from craddle to grave .... and they use these "Socialist" soldiers to attack "Socialism" itself.

I chuckle aloud at the irony as I watch the military and police establishment stand at the barricades defending Capitalism or dropping bombs to promote Capitalism, while the military and police themselves are/enjoy the purest form of socialism in the universe.

Calm
 
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Gipper said:
Thank you for proving my point. Also, thank you for throwing in a joke with your ad-hom.

By the time Pinochet took over, Chile's economy was practically nonexistent.
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My relatives lived there during the Allende and Pinochet era, the conservatives would not sell food to the people, they would blow things up. Nixon knew right after he got elected he was going to intervene. The intervention was due because the elite would lose money, not because they care about a another countries economic state. Are you promoting coups just because the country was socialist ?

Salvador Allende's last speech - YouTube

The conservatives did it.

Listen I understand that your trying to prove your ideas, but don't justifies the actions of the united states. My relatives were their, at least give socialism a chance. If if fails it fails, but if it doesn't then it should be left alone.

In a 2003 town hall with students, high school student James Doubek asked Secretary of State Colin Powell about the United States support for the coup, to which Powell replied that "it is not a part of American history that we're proud of

Colin Powell: U.S. "Not Proud" of 1973 Covert Action in Chile
 
oh
my
gawd
Becky
Look at calm he's like such a commie luver
I can only imagine if he was to go live in North Korea or Cuba for a decade
how his tune might change just a lil bit? (if he survived).
 
aw crud how was I to know he used to be an officer in the Stasi
sry my bad
 
Canell said:
OK, how about this kind of communism? :peace
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Communal ownership of property and absolute pacifism in a country that is deeply rooted in individualism and property rights that has been at war since 1775, with only a few breaks in between? Maybe in small communities, but the country as a whole would reject it in a heartbeat.
 
Gipper said:
Thank you for proving my point. Also, thank you for throwing in a joke with your ad-hom.

By the time Pinochet took over, Chile's economy was practically nonexistent.
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My relatives live in chile during the Allende and Pinochet era. Do you honestly believe the intervention was due because they care about their economic state. No the American elite would lose money because of Allendes polices kept the money in Chile. Do you support that type of economics, killing people and starting coups just because investors would lose money?

Listen I understand that you have to prove your point but you shouldn't justify the U.S coup, no liberals, socials and lefties here are proclaiming that what russia and china did was right.

But here Collin Powell speaking on the subject

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2003/02/dos022003.html
 
yeah Surtr and I think the last thing that kinda country would do is put a man on the moon either eh?
 
jag2594 said:
My relatives live in chile during the Allende and Pinochet era. Do you honestly believe the intervention was due because they care about their economic state. No the American elite would lose money because of Allendes polices kept the money in Chile. Do you support that type of economics, killing people and starting coups just because investors would lose money?

Listen I understand that you have to prove your point but you shouldn't justify the U.S coup, no liberals, socials and lefties here are proclaiming that what russia and china did was right.

But here Collin Powell speaking on the subject

Colin Powell: U.S. "Not Proud" of 1973 Covert Action in Chile
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I'd rather it not be interfered with, but the United States has some great need to be the world police. The truth is that Chile didn't really impact anything outside of a small South American sphere of influence. Chile's hyperinflation was pretty minimalized due to its geography and general anonymity.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
yeah Surtr and I think the last thing that kinda country would do is put a man on the moon either eh?
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Probably not. Technological advances make incredible leaps in times of conflict. Pacifism is stagnation, and communal ownership of property would never work in the United States.
 
Gipper said:
I'd rather it not be interfered with, but the United States has some great need to be the world police. The truth is that Chile didn't really impact anything outside of a small South American sphere of influence. Chile's hyperinflation was pretty minimalized due to its geography and general anonymity.[/QU

Exactly, The only reason for America to be the world police is because they only want to benefits the elites. Every read War Is a Racket by general Smedley Butler. The highest decorated marine.


I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
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Surtr said:
Probably not. Technological advances make incredible leaps in times of conflict. Pacifism is stagnation, and communal ownership of property would never work in the United States.
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Almost any country even remotely populous or wealthy would never condone communal ownership.
 
oh trust me communal ownership of property would never work anywhere anytime anyplace anywho there just ain't no gol-darned way!

Guess only me and 20 million other mind numbed robots are familiar with the speech that Rush Limbaugh gives every Thanksgiving about how the Pilgrims almost died because they originally had structured themselves around communal ownership of property and production.
 
While you fight over pie slices the capitalist will open a bakery
 
Surtr said:
Why share your slice when everyone can have a piece of the pie? If some miss out, it's their own fault.
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Because some people actually believe that someone else having a bigger piece than them is unfair, like you're taking it from them.

It's one thing if the economy or wealth was zero-sum. It'd actually be like that. The problem is that it's not.
 
Gipper said:
Because some people actually believe that someone else having a bigger piece than them is unfair, like you're taking it from them.

It's one thing if the economy or wealth was zero-sum. It'd actually be like that. The problem is that it's not.
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It's an extremist view made to "fix" a nonextant problem.
 
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