View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, religious type of communism

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  • Yes, other type of communism

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Immediately following the collapse of the old order, we could expect to see the forces of production re-oriented along Socialist lines. I don't believe society would revert to some feudal state. There would be no need. A factory operates the same way, regardless of ideology. Only the respective allocation of resources differs.
    I guess the problem involves semantics. What I meant by collapse was not simply a changing of the guard in government, like the Soviet Union model (although similarities exist in how ethnic segments took the opportunity to secede), but a complete social collapse as well. Otherwise, at least in the USA, Capitalism would not lose it's luster for many people. They would just blame the old guard for screwing it up and start a new guard to try again.

    In a complete collapse states and even local communities would secede and struggle for power in conflicts between each other for independence or dominance, leading to even more social fracturing. Wars disrupt the flow of goods, services and materials creating limits on local availability. Meanwhile, communities would need to either form socialist cooperatives or strongmen of their own to survive. That's my take on it anyway.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I guess the problem involves semantics. What I meant by collapse was not simply a changing of the guard in government, like the Soviet Union model (although similarities exist in how ethnic segments took the opportunity to secede), but a complete social collapse as well. Otherwise, at least in the USA, Capitalism would not lose it's luster for many people. They would just blame the old guard for screwing it up and start a new guard to try again.

    In a complete collapse states and even local communities would secede and struggle for power in conflicts between each other for independence or dominance, leading to even more social fracturing. Wars disrupt the flow of goods, services and materials creating limits on local availability. Meanwhile, communities would need to either form socialist cooperatives or strongmen of their own to survive. That's my take on it anyway.
    It's mostly theoretical, but I'd assume that, having been party to the greater collapse, local communities would simply organise themselves in such a manner as to take their cues from the new administration and perform cohesively, forthwith. As for localities that seceded entirely, my guess is as good as yours. I'd only add that, wherever they're positioned geographically would be a factor; they could not be permitted to secede where their location was central, as in an enclave. Such as a satellite? Maybe so. In any case, a global system is required for Socialism to make the transition to Communism.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    The idea of claiming that Christ espoused a particular ârty political ideology is ridiculous.
    Indeed. He went to lengths, in fact, to make rather clear that was not His intent.

    Funny, though, how those so intent on trying to shove Him onto the political platform of Give To The Poor seem less interested in Separation of Church and State or Pauls', He Who Will Not Work Let Him Not Eat.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Anywho, as to the OP. No, Communism would not work in the U.S.; mostly for the basic reasons that it has no "worked" (in the sense of returning benefits) anywhere - Socialism is a failed ideology, with tens and tens of millions of dead sacrificed to the doomed effort to keep it alive.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    It's mostly theoretical, but I'd assume that, having been party to the greater collapse, local communities would simply organise themselves in such a manner as to take their cues from the new administration and perform cohesively, forthwith. As for localities that seceded entirely, my guess is as good as yours. I'd only add that, wherever they're positioned geographically would be a factor; they could not be permitted to secede where their location was central, as in an enclave. Such as a satellite? Maybe so. In any case, a global system is required for Socialism to make the transition to Communism.
    The thing is I don't confuse communism and socialism. I think it is quite possible, as population grows and there is a greater gulf between rich and poor that any society can evolve into a socialist model, or at least free-market semi-socialism like Norway and Sweden.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    The thing is I don't confuse communism and socialism. I think it is quite possible, as population grows and there is a greater gulf between rich and poor that any society can evolve into a socialist model, or at least free-market semi-socialism like Norway and Sweden.
    Some form of halfway house? I doubt it, the ideologies being about as contradistinctive as it gets. From the foundation upwards, these approaches undermine each other every step of the way. Limited Socialism probably isn't an option. That would be like Capitalism avoiding profit.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Some form of halfway house? I doubt it, the ideologies being about as contradistinctive as it gets. From the foundation upwards, these approaches undermine each other every step of the way. Limited Socialism probably isn't an option. That would be like Capitalism avoiding profit.
    LOL I understand. I was simply providing what I thought would be possible under a society as currently committed to capitalism as we are.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    LOL I understand. I was simply providing what I thought would be possible under a society as currently committed to capitalism as we are.
    Of course. I don't doubt that Capitalism can be modified; even during it's lifespan to date, it evolved into an international system. I only meant that it's most fundamental prerogatives cannot be altered. Competition and capital in the form of profit are integral, or it could not be Capitalism.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

    So, is communism possible in the USA?


    Well, hmmm. Let's see.


    Communism was created by a German Racialist workers unionist who thought non Europeans were sub human and needed to be exterminated.


    Hmmm.


    No it couldn't work in the U.S.


    Lol..

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You can't have a democracy if you have a single party state.
    A country could be quite democratic whilst still being a one party state. Elections for party representatives and party leaders, etc. Sometimes there can be bigger differences between candidates in the same party than between different parties.

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