View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, community type of communism

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  • Yes, religious type of communism

    2 1.77%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Curious then that your facts should have no basis in..ya know..fact.

    Is it nice there in your parallel universe?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    That's pretty much the standard apologetic for Communism—to claim that since every attempt failed so disastrously, that those who tried to implement it must have gone about it the wrong way, and that therefore, what they did doesn't count as a genuine attempt to put Communism into practice.
    Except it couldn't have been attempted, by definition. I always find it vaguely amusing that Cons make use of terminology they have little to no understanding of.

    The most recent laugh your side gave me was in describing Hitler as a Socialist. lulz

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Is it nice there in your parallel universe?
    You wouldn't like it here. Too many facts.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    You wouldn't like it here. Too many facts.
    You are the left-wing variant of a holocaust denier. Not much use debating people who deny reality.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Yes I know. I've seen it very often. Never underestimate the capacity of ideologically obsessed people to be blind to the facts.
    Nor the freedom with which Conservatives are able to pick and choose their definitions as it suits them.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    You are the left-wing variant of a holocaust denier. Not much use debating people who deny reality.
    You don't get to redefine basic and acknowledged terminology, dude. Btw, it comes as no surprise that the political myopia of your Wing should result in your difficulties with classification. You're as blind as the Libs you believe you differ from.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

    So, is communism possible in the USA?
    No, it would take a massive paradigm shift amongst our independent-minded and capitalist-indoctrinated citizenry before communism had even the slightest chance of success. It would pretty much require a complete collapse of our current society, followed by a period of interregnum, and then a successful re-conquest by a communist clique.

    Concurrently during the conquest, the clique would have to institute an educational indoctrination program starting at the lowest level of childhood learning, perhaps from birth in State-run creche's. This indoctrination program would need to idealize selflessness and self-sacrifice for the common good; and reinforce repression of the drive to advance oneself and profit by it.

    Not a very likely scenario.
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; 08-03-13 at 06:35 AM.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    No, it would take a massive paradigm shift amongst our independent-minded and capitalist-indoctrinated citizenry before communism had even the slightest chance of success. It would pretty much require a complete collapse of our current society, followed by a period of interregnum, and then a successful re-conquest by a communist clique.

    Concurrently during the conquest, the clique would have to institute an educational indoctrination program starting at the lowest level of childhood learning, perhaps from birth in State-run creche's. This indoctrination program would need to idealize selflessness and self-sacrifice for the common good; and reinforce repression of the drive to advance oneself and profit by it.

    Not a very likely scenario.
    The interim in question being Socialism, during which attitudes would change generationally. Of course, for Cons there is no difference between the two, since they're in the habit of tossing around terms they do not comprehend. I don't believe contention is an innate feature of humanity. Only reactions to conditions. Things like fear, desperation and insecurity might provoke a negative response, but by no means should this be taken as being indicative of a hard-wired response.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    The interim in question being Socialism, during which attitudes would change generationally. Of course, for Cons there is no difference between the two, since they're in the habit of tossing around terms they do not comprehend. I don't believe contention is an innate feature of humanity. Only reactions to conditions. Things like fear, desperation and insecurity might provoke a negative response, but by no means should this be taken as being indicative of a hard-wired response.
    Well socialism and feudalism are the two most likely systems to develop in small communities after the collapse of a large society. Once easy access to goods and services provided by the larger society disappears, social reorganization develops around local survival strategies. Either a community pulls together by pooling resources, or a dominant person in charge of a supporting force will impose control.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Well socialism and feudalism are the two most likely systems to develop in small communities after the collapse of a large society. Once easy access to goods and services provided by the larger society disappears, social reorganization develops around local survival strategies. Either a community pulls together by pooling resources, or a dominant person in charge of a supporting force will impose control.
    Immediately following the collapse of the old order, we could expect to see the forces of production re-oriented along Socialist lines. I don't believe society would revert to some feudal state. There would be no need. A factory operates the same way, regardless of ideology. Only the respective allocation of resources differs.

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