View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, religious type of communism

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  • Yes, other type of communism

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What a coincidence, religion has a long and violent history of suppressing any form of dissent and alternative authority, too.


    Anyway, Hitler was a protestant and the German Evangelical Church supported the Nazi's....


    "The Protestant Reich Church, officially The German Evangelical Church (German: Deutsche Evangelische Kirche) and colloquially Reichskirche, was a unified state church that espoused a single doctrine compatible with National Socialism...."
    Protestant Reich Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It's rather obvious that neither Hitler nor the other leading Nazis considered their religious affiliation, if they had any, important enough to make it priority or inspiration for their plans. On the contrary, in Nazi ideology, Christianity was a "semitic slave religion unsuited for the Germanic soul" and was supposed to be replaced on the long run. Himmler i.e. had many plans for reviving old Germanic mythology and/or esoterics, and the other Nazis only paid lip service to Christianity:

    They thought Christianity was incompatible with their idea of an unlimited quasi-religious belief in the state which they wanted to implement on the long run, but realized Christian ideas were still too strong within the populace to ignore them. So they did with the Protestant Church in Germany what they did with all other mass institutions too: They attempted to get them on party line. That's why they brought into existence the church of the "German Christians" according to which the old OT Jewish God was not the same God as the NT "Father", but in fact a "desert demon" or even "the devil", and Jesus was made an example for "Arian" bravery and heroism. This main "German Christians" church was supposed to get the Protestants on party line, not vice versa.

    Those Protestants who disagreed with the "Germanification" of the Evangelische Kirche formed the Confessing Church, an anti-Nazi Protestant church which disagreed with Nazi ideology.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    It's rather obvious that neither Hitler nor the other leading Nazis considered their religious affiliation, if they had any, important enough to make it priority or inspiration for their plans. On the contrary, in Nazi ideology, Christianity was a "semitic slave religion unsuited for the Germanic soul" and was supposed to be replaced on the long run. Himmler i.e. had many plans for reviving old Germanic mythology and/or esoterics, and the other Nazis only paid lip service to Christianity:

    They thought Christianity was incompatible with their idea of an unlimited quasi-religious belief in the state which they wanted to implement on the long run, but realized Christian ideas were still too strong within the populace to ignore them. So they did with the Protestant Church in Germany what they did with all other mass institutions too: They attempted to get them on party line. That's why they brought into existence the church of the "German Christians" according to which the old OT Jewish God was not the same God as the NT "Father", but in fact a "desert demon" or even "the devil", and Jesus was made an example for "Arian" bravery and heroism. This main "German Christians" church was supposed to get the Protestants on party line, not vice versa.

    Those Protestants who disagreed with the "Germanification" of the Evangelische Kirche formed the Confessing Church, an anti-Nazi Protestant church which disagreed with Nazi ideology.
    Not to mention the fact that Hitler was never a Protestant (he was baptize as a Catholic, although obviously he opposed the church as an adult); that the Nazi's suppressed church organizations as much as they dared and imprisoned many clergy.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, how about this kind of communism?
    That is the form I thought was possible. One must think "commune ism" to relate because in the USA "Communism" has been bastardized to the extreme that the MSM massaged non-thinking masses think it means godless evil. Then again, reading about the Hutterites brings to mind "Corporatism" except it is a more personal level as opposed to thousands of stockholders or even a few stockholders.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    I would say the Soviet type of Communism is most attractive to Liberals. It seems to have the widest channels to absolute power.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I would say the Soviet type of Communism is most attractive to Liberals. It seems to have the widest channels to absolute power.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Not while I'm alive.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    If the Constitution is not upheld at all then anything is possible, but I think that it would be more likely that a Fascist Regime would be more probable than a Communist one.
    Agreed. I think it more likely Facism would take over before Communism.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Communists believe that the reason communism has failed every time it has been tried as an economic system is the wrong people tried it.
    Which is a strange argument, given how many times it has been tried, in different parts of the world, with different people from different cultures being involved in the attempt. Do any Communist apologists claim that somewhere in the world, there is a group of people different from all those who have tried it so far, who would produce a different result than that which came of every other attempt to implement Communism?

    One cannot easily avoid being reminded of the cliché about insanity being defined as doing what has been done before, and expecting a different result.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Which is a strange argument, given how many times it has been tried, in different parts of the world, with different people from different cultures being involved in the attempt. Do any Communist apologists claim that somewhere in the world, there is a group of people different from all those who have tried it so far, who would produce a different result than that which came of every other attempt to implement Communism?

    One cannot easily avoid being reminded of the cliché about insanity being defined as doing what has been done before, and expecting a different result.
    The principles of communism always seems to be used by despots to get popular support of the working class and the poor....and once that power is gained it becomes a totalitarian dictatorship. I think that is one of the reasons people say communism was never really put into practice. To this day, it's still just a theory.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The principles of communism always seems to be used by despots to get popular support of the working class and the poor....and once that power is gained it becomes a totalitarian dictatorship. I think that is one of the reasons people say communism was never really put into practice. To this day, it's still just a theory.
    Interesting point. Marx always spoke of the "temporary dictatorship" during the regime change, but I certainly cannot think of a country that ever got past that point.

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