View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

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  • Yes, community type of communism

    14 12.39%
  • Yes, religious type of communism

    2 1.77%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
  • No, not possible

    61 53.98%
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    why is it considered "greedy" to want to keep the money you have worked for and earned but it is not considered "greedy" to want to take money from someone else and give it to those who have not?
    Good question. Maybe thinking about it will lead you to socialism.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    He's right why should I have to work anyway?
    Shouldn't all my needs be provided to me?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    wow he is a one mighty sad sack of stuff there eh Oscar can you imagine having him as an employee?
    I find it amusing how so many people feel that if you are not out toting bricks, or lifting boxes, or flipping burgers, etc, etc, etc.... you aren't actually "working".

    I've had this discussion regarding the military on many occassions with some disgruntled PFC who was whining about how the officers never do any "work". it's like they think **** just happens by magic. you go to the range to qualify on your weapon. some lazy ass officer had to request/reserve range time, order and arrange to pick up your ammo, attend the range safety course, make sure they had port-o-lets at the range so joe snuffy doesn't have to **** in the woods, arrange for MREs and meals so you don't go hungry, schedule billets so you have some place to sleep, plan and request convoy clearance so you can get there etc, etc, etc. Hours and hours of planning and coordination just so all PVT Snuffy has to do is show up on time and not shoot himself in the foot.
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    wow he is a one mighty sad sack of stuff there eh Oscar can you imagine having him as an employee?
    I've been in business for 19 years and weathered one hell of a recession, yet I still manage to pay my employees 3 dollars an hour more than my competitors.
    I don't think you need to worry about me becoming your employee, LOL!

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Your missing the larger point. If you view the poor as people in need of charity or special services, then I do not blame you for your views.
    However, the point is that those who work the hardest and for the longest hours (the poor) should not need charity to begin with.
    A person can not make it on their own at minimum wage even by working 60 hours a week.
    These people do not want your charity. They do not want your handouts. It is degrading and insulting to suggest that they should be forced to take your charity to survive.
    They should be able to work hard and be able to feed themselves, without either your help or the Government's help.
    But that is impossible, because our system has failed.

    You want these people to rely on individual handouts as a method of equalization of the system. But that is not reliable. They can not balance a check book based on some church's spotty charity. It is not reasonable to make them take handouts that can not be relied upon.

    Those who work the hardest in our society deserve better than your crumbs.
    I work VERY hard at a dangerous stressful job. Uncomfortable job. And requires me to be away from my family and friends. My typical work day is 16 hours, but frequently, 18 and 20 hour days. hat's 7 days a week.

    I only work 3 to 4 weeks at a time, then take 3 or 4 weeks off without pay.
    And I make 6 figures annually.

    There are jobs you can make good money at. Primarily because no one wants to do them. Some people just are not mentally equipped for more than a menial job. Not that many though! I've suggested to many people complaining about low pay. Start in my field. It will take 15 to 20 years to get where I am (44 years now), but it's a lot more than minimum wage even at entry level...They couldn't stand to be "locked" up for a month at a time!
    If you live long enough, you will live in a foreign country, because the past is foreign to the present. We lived differently then. The only constant is change!

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    I've been in business for 19 years and weathered one hell of a recession, yet I still manage to pay my employees 3 dollars an hour more than my competitors.
    so were you lying when you posted this?:

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Your looking at things as though those with the money have worked for it and as if those without it have not.
    But that is not what happens in this country.
    or are you admitting that you did not work for the money you have?
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    I work VERY hard at a dangerous stressful job. Uncomfortable job. And requires me to be away from my family and friends. My typical work day is 16 hours, but frequently, 18 and 20 hour days. hat's 7 days a week.

    I only work 3 to 4 weeks at a time, then take 3 or 4 weeks off without pay.
    And I make 6 figures annually.

    There are jobs you can make good money at. Primarily because no one wants to do them. Some people just are not mentally equipped for more than a menial job. Not that many though! I've suggested to many people complaining about low pay. Start in my field. It will take 15 to 20 years to get where I am (44 years now), but it's a lot more than minimum wage even at entry level...They couldn't stand to be "locked" up for a month at a time!
    exactly. I am a Major in the Army Reserves. I've done several combat tours over the course of the last 20+ years. I spent 5 months on active duty in Korea this past winter/spring because "no one else wanted to do it". I make decent money ($30+/hr) in my civilian job and I usually average another ~$20K/year from the military because I am willing to volunteer for those crappy, long assignments that most people don't want to do.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    So your examples of people that should not collect benefits are people with multiple TV sets, computers, and cell phones?
    If I can prove to you that your thinking is wrong would you revise your opinion or simply change the subject?

    TV's - When we consolidated 2 households a little over a year ago I tried giving away 3 TV's. No one would take them. I then tried giving them to goodwill, but they were not accepting more because of over supply. I ended up putting them by the road and a scrapper picked them up. All 3 worked just fine. I watched the scrapped throw them into his truck. Heard them shatter and smash.
    There is no person in America without a TV in every room that "wants one". Does this mean there are no poor people in America?

    Computers - I have 2 desktops on the floor of my closet. I'll give them both to you for free if you want to come pick them up. One is an XP and very viable.
    Are you even aware that in Florida public schools, it is required that a kid have a computer? My step daughter gets her assignments from the computer, does her homework on the computer, and sometimes even turns it in on her computer. Sometimes she stays up till 2 or 3 AM doing homework on her computer.
    Sure, the schools say that if a kid is so poor they don't have a computer, they can always go to the library. The library that closes at night and have a 1 hour time limit for computer usage... yeah right.
    A child has to have a computer to make a passing grade, DEFINITELY to reach their potential.
    Most people can manage to find a computer for free, its the internet service that costs money.
    Say a parent has to purchase the internet service so their child can pass, and then gets a second computer for free.
    Does this mean they no longer deserve to eat?

    Cell Phones - Ronald Reagan's program gives everyone a free cell phone who gets food stamps. (Or most of them)
    Do I even need to expand on this?


    Seriously? What is your grocery budget?
    I do the shopping for a family of three. My budget is $1200 per month. But after shopping for us for 14 months I have yet to ever stay anywhere close to the budget.
    The real amount I spend is between $1,400 and $1,800. (More than a minimum wage job's entire income AND their food stamps.)
    You have to eat lunch where lunch is available for one thing. But if your working for a living there is no way to spend hours cooking a bunch of flour and frozen peas.
    The guy that used to rake our pine straw up for us gets $150.00 per month in food stamps.

    I'd love to see you eat "real good" off $150.00 a month.
    That is 5 dollars per day or $1.60 cents per meal.
    What do you plan to do, eat off the dollar menu every day?



    There are more poor people in need of equalization in this country than there are people who attend church.
    These people do not want your church, your charity, or your hand outs.
    They want to be able to work their asses off and be able to feed their family without the humiliation of still being unable to make ends meet.
    Sent you a PM. Offering help.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so were you lying when you posted this?:



    or are you admitting that you did not work for the money you have?
    This was never about me. You made it about "you".
    But I will humor you and answer your question...

    I worked my ass off as I learned my trade. Often 60 hours a week. Bloody hands. Bloody fingers. Bloody sun blisters. etc.
    I worked my ass off when I started my business.
    And during that time I made very little.

    Now I mostly do proposals and make considerably more money.
    I no longer even have to drive back for the presentation. Now days I can simply email it.
    Today I worked for about 45 minutes this morning. Was awarded a contract this afternoon. I'll never set foot on that one until I go to collect my check, because it is a small one.
    I do not work very hard for the money I make. But I do provide the best services found within 100 miles.

    The guys that work for me, now that is a different story. I take really good care of them. Even bought someone a set of false teeth for 800 dollars as a Christmas bonus and gave my foreman 10% of my BP settlement.
    But they work harder than anything you ever saw.
    If I paid more I'd have to bid more. And if I bid more I'd go out of business. I have no control over that.

    So now you have some insight as to why I view things as I do.
    I've lived both sides of the coin. And each and every day I see and hear about the suffering of those that work so very hard for so very little.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

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