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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    them pics are far too horrific
    I know. Lines of happy people spending the day participating in their political process as equals. We'd never see that kind of thing in the civilized world.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by gmeyers1944 View Post
    There is NO DIFFERENCE between Fascist and Communist. They are BOTH SOCIALIST.
    Fascists pretend to respect property rights; Communists do not recognize them.
    An Enlightened Master is ideal only if your goal is to become a Benighted Slave. -- Robert Anton Wilson

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Communism is not possible, at least not "through the front door".

    Fascism, maybe.

    I wonder though... Is there a name for a system of Government that is controlled by the corporations and super wealthy by way of mass misinformation to get the people to vote against their own self interests?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No, Jesus preached socialism alright....


    Prov. 14:31 Anyone who oppresses the poor is insulting God who made them. To help the poor is to honor God.

    Prov28:27 If you give to the poor, your needs will be supplied! But a curse upon those who close their eyes to poverty.

    Prov22:9 Happy is the generous man, the one who feeds the poor.

    Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

    1 John 3:17-18 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.

    Psalm 12:5 "Because of the oppression of the weak and the groaning of the needy, I will now arise," says the LORD. "Then I will protect them from those who malign them."

    Proverbs 14:31 He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.

    Proverbs 22:22-23 Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them.

    Proverbs 28:27 He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses.

    Proverbs 31:8-9 "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."

    Ezekiel 16:49 "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."

    These are just a few quotes from the Bible. There are a total of 131 quotes where the needs of the poor are addressed, in both the Old and New Testament....."



    Credit goes to danarhea for doing the above research. Thank you danarhea.
    All of these verses refer to individual responsibility, not government give-a-way programs that use money that was forcibly taken by taxation.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by gmeyers1944 View Post
    All of these verses refer to individual responsibility, not government give-a-way programs that use money that was forcibly taken by taxation.
    And when a society is engineered as such where full time workers can not make enough to survive on their own, do you feel that in the eyes of Jesus we do not have a responsibility to adjust the system in such a way that 1 third of our population is not dependent upon this individual charity?
    The Romans felt as you do and it did not go well for them in the end.

    If you can call that taxation as "forcibly taken", then can I call the profits of the super wealthy "forcibly collected"? They collect these profits off the backs of the poor because the system is engineered where they have no choice. It is by force, under penalty of suffering or even death. Whereas the forcible collection of tax is much less punitive.

    Do you think that Jesus is in favor of having so many millions work all their waking life, still unable to make it, while so very few own everything?
    So often I see Conservatives point to the minority example. The crackhead that refuses to work and milks the system. But what of the majority example. What of 1/3rd of the population that works their asses off, still unable to make it?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    And when a society is engineered as such where full time workers can not make enough to survive on their own, do you feel that in the eyes of Jesus we do not have a responsibility to adjust the system in such a way that 1 third of our population is not dependent upon this individual charity?
    The Romans felt as you do and it did not go well for them in the end.

    If you can call that taxation as "forcibly taken", then can I call the profits of the super wealthy "forcibly collected"? They collect these profits off the backs of the poor because the system is engineered where they have no choice. It is by force, under penalty of suffering or even death. Whereas the forcible collection of tax is much less punitive.

    Do you think that Jesus is in favor of having so many millions work all their waking life, still unable to make it, while so very few own everything?
    So often I see Conservatives point to the minority example. The crackhead that refuses to work and milks the system. But what of the majority example. What of 1/3rd of the population that works their asses off, still unable to make it?
    There are poor people in the USA. and then there are "poor" people collecting benefits, with multiple cars, multiple tv sets, multiple computers, cel phones, ect.

    They eat very well on food stamps...if they buy real food instead of expensive junk.

    The problem with any state run assistance is people find ways to abuse it.

    Now, when a church helps the poor, they visit them. Not like a social worker spying, but out of concern to see how they can help. the fellowship with the person. Create a relationship. And get to know them. Much harder to cheat THAT type of assistance .
    If you live long enough, you will live in a foreign country, because the past is foreign to the present. We lived differently then. The only constant is change!

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    And when a society is engineered as such where full time workers can not make enough to survive on their own, do you feel that in the eyes of Jesus we do not have a responsibility to adjust the system in such a way that 1 third of our population is not dependent upon this individual charity?
    The Romans felt as you do and it did not go well for them in the end.

    If you can call that taxation as "forcibly taken", then can I call the profits of the super wealthy "forcibly collected"? They collect these profits off the backs of the poor because the system is engineered where they have no choice. It is by force, under penalty of suffering or even death. Whereas the forcible collection of tax is much less punitive.

    Do you think that Jesus is in favor of having so many millions work all their waking life, still unable to make it, while so very few own everything?
    So often I see Conservatives point to the minority example. The crackhead that refuses to work and milks the system. But what of the majority example. What of 1/3rd of the population that works their asses off, still unable to make it?
    All I know is that I am a retired mail man. I pay my taxes and I make charitable donations. I do not compare the two. Also. The government is a very inefficient way to deliver services to the poor.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    there are poor people in the usa. And then there are "poor" people collecting benefits, with multiple cars, multiple tv sets, multiple computers, cel phones, ect.

    They eat very well on food stamps...if they buy real food instead of expensive junk.

    The problem with any state run assistance is people find ways to abuse it.

    Now, when a church helps the poor, they visit them. Not like a social worker spying, but out of concern to see how they can help. The fellowship with the person. Create a relationship. And get to know them. Much harder to cheat that type of assistance .
    amen!

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by gmeyers1944 View Post
    All I know is that I am a retired mail man. I pay my taxes and I make charitable donations. I do not compare the two. Also. The government is a very inefficient way to deliver services to the poor.
    Your missing the larger point. If you view the poor as people in need of charity or special services, then I do not blame you for your views.
    However, the point is that those who work the hardest and for the longest hours (the poor) should not need charity to begin with.
    A person can not make it on their own at minimum wage even by working 60 hours a week.
    These people do not want your charity. They do not want your handouts. It is degrading and insulting to suggest that they should be forced to take your charity to survive.
    They should be able to work hard and be able to feed themselves, without either your help or the Government's help.
    But that is impossible, because our system has failed.

    You want these people to rely on individual handouts as a method of equalization of the system. But that is not reliable. They can not balance a check book based on some church's spotty charity. It is not reasonable to make them take handouts that can not be relied upon.

    Those who work the hardest in our society deserve better than your crumbs.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    There are poor people in the USA. and then there are "poor" people collecting benefits, with multiple cars, multiple tv sets, multiple computers, cel phones, ect.
    So your examples of people that should not collect benefits are people with multiple TV sets, computers, and cell phones?
    If I can prove to you that your thinking is wrong would you revise your opinion or simply change the subject?

    TV's - When we consolidated 2 households a little over a year ago I tried giving away 3 TV's. No one would take them. I then tried giving them to goodwill, but they were not accepting more because of over supply. I ended up putting them by the road and a scrapper picked them up. All 3 worked just fine. I watched the scrapped throw them into his truck. Heard them shatter and smash.
    There is no person in America without a TV in every room that "wants one". Does this mean there are no poor people in America?

    Computers - I have 2 desktops on the floor of my closet. I'll give them both to you for free if you want to come pick them up. One is an XP and very viable.
    Are you even aware that in Florida public schools, it is required that a kid have a computer? My step daughter gets her assignments from the computer, does her homework on the computer, and sometimes even turns it in on her computer. Sometimes she stays up till 2 or 3 AM doing homework on her computer.
    Sure, the schools say that if a kid is so poor they don't have a computer, they can always go to the library. The library that closes at night and have a 1 hour time limit for computer usage... yeah right.
    A child has to have a computer to make a passing grade, DEFINITELY to reach their potential.
    Most people can manage to find a computer for free, its the internet service that costs money.
    Say a parent has to purchase the internet service so their child can pass, and then gets a second computer for free.
    Does this mean they no longer deserve to eat?

    Cell Phones - Ronald Reagan's program gives everyone a free cell phone who gets food stamps. (Or most of them)
    Do I even need to expand on this?

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    They eat very well on food stamps...if they buy real food instead of expensive junk.
    Seriously? What is your grocery budget?
    I do the shopping for a family of three. My budget is $1200 per month. But after shopping for us for 14 months I have yet to ever stay anywhere close to the budget.
    The real amount I spend is between $1,400 and $1,800. (More than a minimum wage job's entire income AND their food stamps.)
    You have to eat lunch where lunch is available for one thing. But if your working for a living there is no way to spend hours cooking a bunch of flour and frozen peas.
    The guy that used to rake our pine straw up for us gets $150.00 per month in food stamps.

    I'd love to see you eat "real good" off $150.00 a month.
    That is 5 dollars per day or $1.60 cents per meal.
    What do you plan to do, eat off the dollar menu every day?

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    The problem with any state run assistance is people find ways to abuse it.

    Now, when a church helps the poor, they visit them. Not like a social worker spying, but out of concern to see how they can help. the fellowship with the person. Create a relationship. And get to know them. Much harder to cheat THAT type of assistance .
    There are more poor people in need of equalization in this country than there are people who attend church.
    These people do not want your church, your charity, or your hand outs.
    They want to be able to work their asses off and be able to feed their family without the humiliation of still being unable to make ends meet.

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