View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

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  • Yes, community type of communism

    14 12.39%
  • Yes, religious type of communism

    2 1.77%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
  • No, not possible

    61 53.98%
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Have you ever heard the phrase, "Too many cooks in the kitchen"? What you are essentially saying is that expert workers are in the position to know best practices, and you are partially correct, yet you ignore the fact that limited resources have to be split between multiple branches in any organization, which leads to the singular question of "who get's what and when?". Decisions need to be made on a constant basis with the big picture in mind; experts tend to take a myopic view of their area of expertise, which leads to the requirement of "Generalist experts"... which is what we call a Manager. Sure, workers can be effective self-managers, yet only with proper motivation (read: incentives) and not for every position. If the fry cook's pay was dependent on how many fries they upsold at the cash register, they'd probably sell a lot more fries, yet working the register isn't their job; division of labor (which gives us specialization and advantage in the first place) often rightfully separates incentive from actual production. In all reality, a worker's pay can be subsidized through stock option and/or direct take from daily profits to some degree, but this just simply isn't possible in all situations. If every cashier and fry cook in the McDonald's franchise had a stake of their store, it wouldn't be enough to make them work that much harder... unless their stake was so high that the store then becomes an unviable business. Who would put up their money (resources) in order to give others wildly increased opportunity at the expense of taking all of the risk? This is why the Soviet system failed and why the Chinese system eventually adopted a more market-based approach. The system just works, even if some of the "less fortunate" allow themselves to get thrown under the bus. It's not a strict meritocracy by any means, but market/capitalistic systems have inherent motivation by way of reward. No planned market system will ever reach the efficiency or efficacy of a capitalist market system. It's just human nature.



    How is Apple doing without Steve Jobs?

    if a cook knew that everyone is getting a fraction of the pay the store makes. Everyone would be working as a team and laziness would not be accepted. You don't work you don't get paid.

    I don't know much about apple, he did a good job keeping the media from knowing the slaves he was producing in china. jeez, they had to put a net under the windows to catch people from dying. Thats the true reason why they were so successful.


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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?


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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    If the Constitution is not upheld at all then anything is possible, but I think that it would be more likely that a Fascist Regime would be more probable than a Communist one.
    There is NO DIFFERENCE between Fascist and Communist. They are BOTH SOCIALIST.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thats true, it wouldn't the USA anymore. It would be an authoritarian theocracy with all the communist bells and whistles. And since Jesus preached socialism....it would be an easy switch......if only it weren't for that darn constitution and separation of church and state.
    Jesus did NOT preach socialism. Jesus preached individual responsibility, not government giveaway programs.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by gmeyers1944 View Post
    There is NO DIFFERENCE between Fascist and Communist. They are BOTH SOCIALIST.
    you mean
    It wasn't called the National Socialist German Workers' Party by accident?
    I thought we Conservatives were supposed to be the Fascists?

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by gmeyers1944 View Post
    Jesus did NOT preach socialism. Jesus preached individual responsibility, not government giveaway programs.
    No, Jesus preached socialism alright....


    Prov. 14:31 Anyone who oppresses the poor is insulting God who made them. To help the poor is to honor God.

    Prov28:27 If you give to the poor, your needs will be supplied! But a curse upon those who close their eyes to poverty.

    Prov22:9 Happy is the generous man, the one who feeds the poor.

    Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

    1 John 3:17-18 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.

    Psalm 12:5 "Because of the oppression of the weak and the groaning of the needy, I will now arise," says the LORD. "Then I will protect them from those who malign them."

    Proverbs 14:31 He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.

    Proverbs 22:22-23 Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them.

    Proverbs 28:27 He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses.

    Proverbs 31:8-9 "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."

    Ezekiel 16:49 "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."

    These are just a few quotes from the Bible. There are a total of 131 quotes where the needs of the poor are addressed, in both the Old and New Testament....."



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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    well thank gawd I'm an atheist

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    well thank gawd I'm an atheist
    You don't have to a 'believer' to have empathy and compassion for the poor.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    I think the poor are icky

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by jag2594 View Post
    if a cook knew that everyone is getting a fraction of the pay the store makes. Everyone would be working as a team and laziness would not be accepted. You don't work you don't get paid.
    And how many people simply wouldn't even show up (or would leave early) if there isn't any business that day? Where I live, we have a thriving tourism economy during the summer and not much else during the winter. So, do these restaurants close down except for the summer months because nobody wants to show up when it's dead (even though the rent and taxes still have to be paid in the slow months)?

    People who truly advocate for employee ownership have never owned a business. It is such an absurdity to consider. Probably why you don't see it that often. I mean, nothing is stopping businesses from doing that now, so why don't they?
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