View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

Voters
113. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, Soviet type of communism

    12 10.62%
  • Yes, community type of communism

    14 12.39%
  • Yes, religious type of communism

    2 1.77%
  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
  • No, not possible

    61 53.98%
  • Dunno

    3 2.65%
  • Other

    7 6.19%
Page 51 of 62 FirstFirst ... 41495051525361 ... LastLast
Results 501 to 510 of 617

Thread: Is communism possible in the USA?

  1. #501
    better late than pregnant
    Gonzo Rodeo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Here
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:33 AM
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    4,140

    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by jag2594 View Post
    A miner, not one who has at a desk in air conditioning room. But who is actually does the Mining
    So, people who sit at desks by definition don't work, according to you.
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
    ~Orwell, Politics and the English Language

  2. #502
    User Org's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    08-26-15 @ 03:16 PM
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    135

    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    What is the difference between a private capitalist and a successful worker?

    To be honest, every socialist argument, point, idea, or thought all looks exactly like capitalism to me, only with different people in the top spots; replace the current aristocracy of wealth with another aristocracy of control. And make sure to sound really hopeful and idealistic while selling it.
    While not pretending to be a total decentralist, I do fundamentally reject the idea of "top spots". And it seems you don't really get what I mean by worker-ownership.



    This is an image of basic horizontal structure, which is what's meant by worker ownership. Decisions are made by voting and discourse, with coordinators being elected facilitators, holding no management authority above the rest. In many models, the "team members" are deparments, or entire companies, and some decisions are made autonomously by these smaller groups. There's a lot of variation, especially when accounting for size and individual constitutions, but the core principals still apply. In essence, it's the application of democracy to the workplace - and thus the abolition of private property and the capitalist class.

  3. #503
    Farts in Elevators
    OscarB63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Alabama
    Last Seen
    09-06-14 @ 07:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,526

    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    So, people who sit at desks by definition don't work, according to you.
    yeah...some people are so painfully stupid they actually believe that unless you are sweating your ass off and killing yourself, you are not working. Apparently companies just run themselves and supplies and materials just show up by magic.
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.

  4. #504
    double secret probation AngryOldGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Phx,Az
    Last Seen
    03-31-14 @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    2,917

    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Strong back weak mind 12.6 watts

  5. #505
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    USA
    Last Seen
    08-25-16 @ 08:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    1,622

    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Org View Post
    While not pretending to be a total decentralist, I do fundamentally reject the idea of "top spots". And it seems you don't really get what I mean by worker-ownership.



    This is an image of basic horizontal structure, which is what's meant by worker ownership. Decisions are made by voting and discourse, with coordinators being elected facilitators, holding no management authority above the rest. In many models, the "team members" are deparments, or entire companies, and some decisions are made autonomously by these smaller groups. There's a lot of variation, especially when accounting for size and individual constitutions, but the core principals still apply. In essence, it's the application of democracy to the workplace - and thus the abolition of private property and the capitalist class.
    It is also the abolition of prosperity. Few co-ops work, and when they do, not for long. Without capitalism we have economies like the USSR or E. Germany, the latter of which held back to the prosperity of the whole of Germany for years as they gradually converted to capitalism.

  6. #506
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    USA
    Last Seen
    08-25-16 @ 08:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    1,622

    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

    So, is communism possible in the USA?
    Let's put it this way; through force communism can be established anywhere. But communism will never thrive or create social prosperity no matter where it is. The very idea of forced socialism/communism is dunce cap material. (I have lived in a socialist environment)

  7. #507
    double secret probation AngryOldGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Phx,Az
    Last Seen
    03-31-14 @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    2,917

    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    very true
    played out on the world stage for all to see
    to the detriment of millions stuck on the wrong side of the fence
    East and west Germany
    North and south Korea

  8. #508
    User Org's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    08-26-15 @ 03:16 PM
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    135

    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by dnsmith View Post
    It is also the abolition of prosperity. Few co-ops work, and when they do, not for long. Without capitalism we have economies like the USSR or E. Germany, the latter of which held back to the prosperity of the whole of Germany for years as they gradually converted to capitalism.
    That's empirically and historically false.

    Cooperatives may not be a new idea—with at least 130 million members (more than one in three Americans), co-ops have broad political and cultural support—but they are becoming increasingly important in new-economy efforts. A widely discussed strategy in Cleveland suggests a possible next stage of development: the Evergreen Cooperatives are linked through a nonprofit corporation, a revolving loan fund and the common goal of rebuilding the economically devastated Greater University Circle neighborhoods. A thoroughly green industrial-scale laundry, a solar installation company and a soon-to-be-opened large-scale commercial greenhouse (capable of producing about 5 million heads of lettuce a year) make up the first of a group of linked co-ops projected to expand in years to come. The effort is unique in that Evergreen is building on the purchasing power of the area’s large hospital, university and other anchor institutions, which buy some‚€®$3 billion of goods and services a year—virtually none of which, until recently, had come from local business. Senator Sherrod Brown is expected to introduce national legislation aimed at developing Evergreen-style models in other cities. (Full disclosure: the Democracy Collaborative of the University of Maryland, which I co-founded, has played an important role in Evergreen’s development.)

    "Democratized businesses” like employee-owned companies, where more than 10 million Americans work.
    Beyond Corporate Capitalism: Not So Wild a Dream | The Nation
    The New-Economy Movement | The Nation

    Then there's the Spanish Mondragon system, and the Italian cooperatives.

    I could also point to what happens when socialism is put in place. Sometimes it fails due to it's own urgency and siege mentality. Sometimes military/imperial pressures force it out of existence. But in other cases, it flourishes.

    In Spain, a kind of left anarchism worked beautifully, until being removed by military force.

    In Venezuela and Cuba, living standards have greatly improved, as have political participation and literacy.

    In Hungary, before Stalinist and capitalist interference, conditions greatly improved. Under the current capitalist government, many complain about the poverty and job insecurity unseen under socialism.

  9. #509
    double secret probation AngryOldGuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Phx,Az
    Last Seen
    03-31-14 @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    2,917

    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Org View Post
    That's empirically and historically false.
    wow just wow read his aboot tab, tell me you've lived as much life as he
    nevermind, folks sitting in the lap of capitalist luxury and freedom can afford to propound the wonders of communist oppression.
    I suppose it is the way of things.

  10. #510
    better late than pregnant
    Gonzo Rodeo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Here
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:33 AM
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    4,140

    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Org View Post
    While not pretending to be a total decentralist, I do fundamentally reject the idea of "top spots". And it seems you don't really get what I mean by worker-ownership.



    This is an image of basic horizontal structure, which is what's meant by worker ownership. Decisions are made by voting and discourse, with coordinators being elected facilitators, holding no management authority above the rest. In many models, the "team members" are deparments, or entire companies, and some decisions are made autonomously by these smaller groups. There's a lot of variation, especially when accounting for size and individual constitutions, but the core principals still apply. In essence, it's the application of democracy to the workplace - and thus the abolition of private property and the capitalist class.
    Clearly you've never worked in an organization. A "coordinator" without management powers is quite useless. Somebody has to make desicions and there is no getting around this fact. Now, the idea of voting on the person who gets to make the decisions is not entirely without merit, yet still falls prerilously short of effective when an unpopular decision (that may be the better decision) will get a person unelected. Its the same reasoning for why we don't let our kids vote on what to have for dinner - they lack the necessary knowledge to make good decisions.
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
    ~Orwell, Politics and the English Language

Page 51 of 62 FirstFirst ... 41495051525361 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •