View Poll Results: Is communism possible in the USA?

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  • Yes, community type of communism

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  • Yes, religious type of communism

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  • Yes, other type of communism

    14 12.39%
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    If the Constitution is not upheld at all then anything is possible, but I think that it would be more likely that a Fascist Regime would be more probable than a Communist one.
    Horse****, the liberals claim they have the population to take over the US with their ideology....and it ain't fascism.
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    A lot of thing are 'possible' in the USA.
    But most of them will never happen.

    Communism is one of the things that will likely never happen.
    I think there are many communes in the U.S. right now. Take the hutterites for example.
    Although I agree the terms 'communism' and 'communalism' are somewhat messed up.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    A lot of thing are 'possible' in the USA.
    But most of them will never happen.

    Communism is one of the things that will likely never happen.

    Who is going to vote it into power?

    Think about it.

    Why worry or even think about something so unlikely?
    Communists are amost never "voted into power". But I agree a Communist takeover in the US is very unlikely.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    EVERYTHING was free. Including your neighbor's stuff. All you needed was access to it, which might have meant killing him or his whole tribe. Consider water resources, like rivers and streams. What if I want to farm on it? What's that? YOU want to farm right here? Well how do we solve this dispute? Fine, you stay here, and I'll move up river... and then dam the river to divert the flow of water to my brother over there. What? You didn't like that either? Well then, what do we do about it? Have laws? And people who enforce them? But then, how will they eat if they're out enforcing the laws and not farming? What? We give them a little bit of our food so they can spend their time making sure I'm not messing with you?

    And so on. Property rights are what separate us from the beasts.... especially those having to do with land and natural resource exploitation.
    Okay, so let me make one thing clear: I'm positioning myself in favor of collective property, not against property altogether. Farms (to use your example), during this early period, were property of family units and slightly larger groups. Property rights were still enforced, but not by a central authority. This is much like the popular militias of Spain, and the world's still-existing small family farms (I grew up on one, and alongside many others.)

    This kind of advocacy isn't really revolutionary. Many professors and public intellectuals (Gar Alperovitz, Richard Wolff, and Noam Chomsky, to name three you're probably familiar with) advocate for this kind of decentralized ownership. Alperovitz, in his case, has meticulously outlined the tens of millions of Americans involved in it today. And the point of going back to early property was to point out that private property isn't natural - it, in all it's wickedness, is a human institution. It was created by rulers, and should be abolished by subjects.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Communists are amost never "voted into power". But I agree a Communist takeover in the US is very unlikely.
    That's why they call themselves "progressives". If they called themselves "Communists" they know they'd never get elected.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Org View Post
    And the point of going back to early property was to point out that private property isn't natural - it, in all it's wickedness, is a human institution. It was created by rulers, and should be abolished by subjects.
    It was a natural consequence of society. Without private property, we would all be killing each other over physical position - space - and who gets to occupy it.

    Tell me, what happens when a collective farm just so happens to be next to a river that a power plant "needs" to be on? Which family gets the boot? Which farm gets demolished to make way for "progress"? How is this solved without private property rules? Or take a mine, for example. A person wants to dig gold out of the ground in a particular place, and someone else wants to do the same thing on the same spot. How do you resolve this conflict?
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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's why they call themselves "progressives". If they called themselves "Communists" they know they'd never get elected.
    They try to use political correctness to change the labels but reality is indeed a stubborn mistress.
    and some of us are quite aware that hell hath no fury like a mistress scorned
    you end up having to sleep with one eye open in fear she'll creep up and snip off yer dangly bits
    no wonder they are so cranky

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    It was a natural consequence of society. Without private property, we would all be killing each other over physical position - space - and who gets to occupy it.

    Tell me, what happens when a collective farm just so happens to be next to a river that a power plant "needs" to be on? Which family gets the boot? Which farm gets demolished to make way for "progress"? How is this solved without private property rules? Or take a mine, for example. A person wants to dig gold out of the ground in a particular place, and someone else wants to do the same thing on the same spot. How do you resolve this conflict?
    What? To your first example, the farm gets precedence, because it owns that plot of land. And what do you mean by "which"? There's only one farm. To your second: the previous owner sells it to whomever of the two they choose.

    A group owning a firm doesn't change the fact that land is (often) owned.

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Communists are almost never "voted into power".
    No but Hitler was

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    Re: Is communism possible in the USA?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Communists are amost never "voted into power". But I agree a Communist takeover in the US is very unlikely.
    If it didn't happen in the early 1900s or the Great Depression, it's not happening now.

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